The problem with Joe’s deep ball.

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Was recently watching Hooker highlights from last season and it was amazing how quickly into the play Hendon would launch long, downfield passes. 3 or 4 step drop and whoosh … he’d put it up nice and high often before the receiver was clearly open, letting them run under it. Joe, on the other hand, seems to wait forever and then throws a low-flying missile that’s a harder ball to make a play on and seems easier to defend. The very opposite of throwing a recover open. The longest pass we completed yesterday was 17 yards to Squirrel. That’s pitiful and will encourage defenses to load up the box on us going forward. Hope Josh has some kind of answer but that’s looking doubtful this far into the aeason.
 
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Jersey Moonshine said:
Was recently watching Hooker highlights from last season and it was amazing how quickly into the play Hendon would launch long, downfield passes. 3 or 4 step drop and whoosh … he’d put it up nice and high often before the receiver was clearly open, letting them run under it. Joe, on the other hand, seems to wait forever and then throws a low-flying missile that’s a harder ball to make a play on and seems easier to defend. The very opposite of throwing a recover open. The longest pass we completed yesterday was 17 yards to Squirrel. That’s pitiful and will encourage defenses to load up the box on us going forward. Hope Josh has some kind of answer but that’s looking doubtful this far into the aeason.
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5-1, with a great win yesterday.
 
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Jersey Moonshine said:
Was recently watching Hooker highlights from last season and it was amazing how quickly into the play Hendon would launch long, downfield passes. 3 or 4 step drop and whoosh … he’d put it up nice and high often before the receiver was clearly open, letting them run under it. Joe, on the other hand, seems to wait forever and then throws a low-flying missile that’s a harder ball to make a play on and seems easier to defend. The very opposite of throwing a recover open. The longest pass we completed yesterday was 17 yards to Squirrel. That’s pitiful and will encourage defenses to load up the box on us going forward. Hope Josh has some kind of answer but that’s looking doubtful this far into the aeason.
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Good point! Hooked threw to spots, Joe waits until the receiver is open. Sometimes, that's too late
 
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VolBricks said:
coach is going to send in at least three PI that were not called to the SEC office this week. Bad game for the officials.
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YES! Other teams PI’ing us a lot and no calls. Why? Why? I don’t get it. We get called for it - other teams get called for it. Why are dB’s allowed to grab our guys every freaking time? It’s the reason the pass game has been tough this year!! Pi$$es me off big time.
 
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Maybe flip the script this week everytime they grab us - bail out, fall down and jump up throwing a flag - worked for the Kentucky guy last night?
 
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Jersey Moonshine said:
Was recently watching Hooker highlights from last season and it was amazing how quickly into the play Hendon would launch long, downfield passes. 3 or 4 step drop and whoosh … he’d put it up nice and high often before the receiver was clearly open, letting them run under it. Joe, on the other hand, seems to wait forever and then throws a low-flying missile that’s a harder ball to make a play on and seems easier to defend. The very opposite of throwing a recover open. The longest pass we completed yesterday was 17 yards to Squirrel. That’s pitiful and will encourage defenses to load up the box on us going forward. Hope Josh has some kind of answer but that’s looking doubtful this far into the aeason.
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The problem is "mental quickness". This is one of the reasons I don't think we go very fast this year. The man making the plays from the QB position has to get the play from the sideline quickly, the just as quickly see the defense, go with what was sent in or change to one of the options. Milton can do it. As for his long pass problems, he can't menially react fast enough.
 
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temptn said:
The problem with Joe's deep ball is Hyatt and Tillman.
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That's not the issue. Nimrod was wide open for a touchdown and Milton underthrew him by 10 yards. We've had WR's open, Milton just can't hit $hit over 15 yards. Against Clemson he was putting air under it. You can tell he has zero confidence right now, which makes him weak minded. Not a good QB trait.
 
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There have been some drops for sure that should have been catches but Milton often holds he ball too long and then throws a howitzer
 
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Memvol44 said:
Good point! Hooked threw to spots, Joe waits until the receiver is open. Sometimes, that's too late
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Yah, I think Hooker had the ability to "be the receiver" in Heupel's system. He could look at the DB's position and his first move after the snap, and tell which route the receiver was going to choose (as we've learned, the receivers usually have three choices of route when the play begins, and choose the one that fits what the DB gives them).

Since Hooker was inside the receiver's head, he could anticipate really well, and put the ball where the receiver was going even before the break, certainly before the receiver got separation.

I'm not sure Joe has this mental agility. I think he has to wait to see which route the receiver chooses, and sometimes even waits to see if it "worked" (if the receiver chose well and the defender got left behind). And the timing for that just doesn't work well in this system, because good DBs can catch up again and be there when the ball arrives. Plus safeties have time to pitch in and get there, too.

Not sure of any of this. Just seems to be the way things are playing out this year vs last.
 
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The blatant PI's that don't get called are a major issue. There have been at least two or three major past attempts every game where Joe threw a great pass but the receiver had no chance because of interference.

On the flip side there have also been two or three major pass attempts every game where the receiver was open and Joe threw a terrible pass.

Something definitely isn't quite clicking in the passing game the way it did with Hooker last year. But then also luck with the officials has definitely been against us.
 
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BearBryant said:
5-1, with a great win yesterday.
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A use to be the biggest Milton defender but it's getting hard. That win had nothing to do with the 100 passing yards. It might not be all on Joe, but we have to make a change before something we know is broke , cost us another loss.
 
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Jersey Moonshine said:
Was recently watching Hooker highlights from last season and it was amazing how quickly into the play Hendon would launch long, downfield passes. 3 or 4 step drop and whoosh … he’d put it up nice and high often before the receiver was clearly open, letting them run under it. Joe, on the other hand, seems to wait forever and then throws a low-flying missile that’s a harder ball to make a play on and seems easier to defend. The very opposite of throwing a recover open. The longest pass we completed yesterday was 17 yards to Squirrel. That’s pitiful and will encourage defenses to load up the box on us going forward. Hope Josh has some kind of answer but that’s looking doubtful this far into the aeason.
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The problem is Keyton always drops it 🤷‍♂️
 
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Joe’s problems have always boiled down to two primary issues. 1) He is regularly late processing play development, decision making and gets the ball out late. 2) Because he is late, he has acclimated his game to make up for it with 120 mph fast balls. His fast ball is rarely on target under pressure and they are not catchable by the average WR.

We have really solid talent at WR but they have to be perfect because of the QB. That’s a lot to ask of these kids.
 
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I know no one will ever attempt to answer this question, but I wonder how is it that Hype recruited Joe in the portal, when he had Hendo already there. Not only that but he started Joe over Hendo when it was obvious in that Pitt game Joe got hurt that Hendo was better. Now here we are again waiting for Joe to break out, and it’s taking forever. So my question is this. Is maybe seeing something in practice that we obviously don’t get to see, and this is why he rides with Joe so hard.
 
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Jersey Moonshine said:
Was recently watching Hooker highlights from last season and it was amazing how quickly into the play Hendon would launch long, downfield passes. 3 or 4 step drop and whoosh … he’d put it up nice and high often before the receiver was clearly open, letting them run under it. Joe, on the other hand, seems to wait forever and then throws a low-flying missile that’s a harder ball to make a play on and seems easier to defend. The very opposite of throwing a recover open. The longest pass we completed yesterday was 17 yards to Squirrel. That’s pitiful and will encourage defenses to load up the box on us going forward. Hope Josh has some kind of answer but that’s looking doubtful this far into the aeason.
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We need a coach that can teach Milton how to throw the football. It's not his fault, he just does not know.
 
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