the plus of failure

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"I think there's a silver lining to everything," Dooley said. "Had we gone to a bowl, we all would have felt better in the short term. But in some ways, with the pain that we all feel [now], it can pay dividends for how we reshape this football team in the offseason and make a real statement about the commitment level that we all need to make as coaches, as players, to getting this thing right next year. That's what we're going to do."

-Chattanooga Times Free Press

I'm confused ... especially this coming from a coach ... when is a loss and not making it to a Bowl game ever a silver lining in any college football program. I've never seen it help morale and is even able to help recruiting. How many parents have you seen that have told their children it might be a good thing that you failed that test, maybe next year you will try harder repeating 8th grade for the 5th straight year?
 
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Dooley's an idiot. The only plus to this team's many failures is that it will make tickets much easier to acquire, and I doubt the university will view that as a plus.
 
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In sports, it's always better to win, always.... However, if you do lose, and yes, we are a loser team this year, then you should use it for all the motivation that it's worth.

Dooley has to spin this horrible season into a positive....What do you want him to do, cry and moan about it?? Clearly, you never played 1 day of sports in your life...... :eek:lol:
 
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You're like number 1,000 on this topic aren't we past this? He said basically the same thing after the Kentucky game and we destroyed him for it! Let's look forward to Pig and the mia culpa that will be our recruiting class. Show all these kids seeing Tennessee for the first time that our insane passion is a positive and not a constant concern!

Dooley is not going anywhere, no matter how over his head we think he is DA is obviously sticking with him as the market is not great for the WOW hire we all are clamouring for! I don't believe any of the options from Sumlin, Fedora, Smart, Malzahan, or even Strong are the answer anymore then Dooley and his potential. Gruden/Cowher are pipe dreams. To many pro jobs begging them to get back in the fold for them to want to deal with SEC politics!

Dooley is as good as any other option we can honestly get right now. So sit back, stay commited to supporting this program through everything and stop the ridiculous BS that has been killed, buried, dug up, and chopped into pieces!
 
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I see what the man is saying. He's trying to say this team now knows the feeling of being at the bottom and hopefully these coaches and players will try their hardest in the offseason to make sure we don't have to know the feeling of being at the bottom again.
 
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BigTXVolFan said:
You're like number 1,000 on this topic aren't we past this? He said basically the same thing after the Kentucky game and we destroyed him for it! Let's look forward to Pig and the mia culpa that will be our recruiting class. Show all these kids seeing Tennessee for the first time that our insane passion is a positive and not a constant concern!

Dooley is not going anywhere, no matter how over his head we think he is DA is obviously sticking with him as the market is not great for the WOW hire we all are clamouring for! I don't believe any of the options from Sumlin, Fedora, Smart, Malzahan, or even Strong are the answer anymore then Dooley and his potential. Gruden/Cowher are pipe dreams. To many pro jobs begging them to get back in the fold for them to want to deal with SEC politics!

Dooley is as good as any other option we can honestly get right now. So sit back, stay commited to supporting this program through everything and stop the ridiculous BS that has been killed, buried, dug up, and chopped into pieces!
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I'm not saying fire Dooley. I just wish he would stop making comments like this. It puts the program in a bad light. Even if you make a motivational speech to the team doesn't mean you have to share with the media.
 
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Volsfan2013 said:
I see what the man is saying. He's trying to say this team now knows the feeling of being at the bottom and hopefully these coaches and players will try their hardest in the offseason to make sure we don't have to know the feeling of being at the bottom again.
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Exactly. One evening Cal Ripken struck out 5 times in a game. The beat writer finished their story and when leaving the park in the early morning saw Cal in the cage working. He ask what he was doing and he replied I am making sure tonight never happens again. Athletes are driven by failure and I am certain that is what DD is trying to convey here.
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BruinVol said:
Exactly. One evening Cal Ripken struck out 5 times in a game. The beat writer finished their story and when leaving the park in the early morning saw Cal in the cage working. He ask what he was doing and he replied I am making sure tonight never happens again. Athletes are driven by failure and I am certain that is what DD is trying to convey here.
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I like the cal story. So many times in life we fail. The most successful people look at failure as opportunity to improve. I like what Dooley said, I hope for this team he works and delivers.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
"I think there's a silver lining to everything," Dooley said. "Had we gone to a bowl, we all would have felt better in the short term. But in some ways, with the pain that we all feel [now], it can pay dividends for how we reshape this football team in the offseason and make a real statement about the commitment level that we all need to make as coaches, as players, to getting this thing right next year. That's what we're going to do."

-Chattanooga Times Free Press

I'm confused ... especially this coming from a coach ... when is a loss and not making it to a Bowl game ever a silver lining in any college football program. I've never seen it help morale and is even able to help recruiting. How many parents have you seen that have told their children it might be a good thing that you failed that test, maybe next year you will try harder repeating 8th grade for the 5th straight year?
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What he is trying to say makes perfect sense. The team is as low as it gets and they won't want to ever be in this place again. Going to a bowl would have dulled the pain and in reality might not have been as tactically instructive as this can be.

Smart coaches will be able to leverage this into motivation.
 
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Well I do not believe in losing as being a positive thing but maybe this is our wake up call. TN once was known as a perenial powerhouse and slowly but surely we have hit rock botom. Many times when a team fails they become motivated and want to become the best. I've seen it numerous times in sports. Teams come together as a whole and push one another to improve and the next thing you know they are winning ballgames. Let's just hope this dismal season will light a fire for our team. But it's gonna take not just a few players to make this happen. Every single vol player and coach is going to have make a commitment to excellence and strive to be the best.
 
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This may sound ridiculous, but if that team last week would have come back and beat KY, they would have gone to a bowl game and off season thinking to themselves how awesome they were for beating a team they honestly did not deserve to beat that day. They need to feel the pain of losing to KY all this off season and use that as their motivation to succeed next year in hopes of never feeling it again.

By the way, for all of you saying losing is never good....you have never tried anything then. Losing happens, and it is just as important to learn how to grow from it as it is to learn how to be humble in victory. This is a major issue with kids these days and our so-called 'self-esteem issues'. Recommended reading: Failing Forward by John Maxwell.
 
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pimo1 said:
What he is trying to say makes perfect sense. The team is as low as it gets and they won't want to ever be in this place again. Going to a bowl would have dulled the pain and in reality might not have been as tactically instructive as this can be.

Smart coaches will be able to leverage this into motivation.
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Agree....but I'd like for this tactic not to be used again.
 
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I partially agree with Dooley on this one. The last thing the 2011 Vols needed was positive reinforcement.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
"I think there's a silver lining to everything," Dooley said. "Had we gone to a bowl, we all would have felt better in the short term. But in some ways, with the pain that we all feel [now], it can pay dividends for how we reshape this football team in the offseason and make a real statement about the commitment level that we all need to make as coaches, as players, to getting this thing right next year. That's what we're going to do."

-Chattanooga Times Free Press

I'm confused ... especially this coming from a coach ... when is a loss and not making it to a Bowl game ever a silver lining in any college football program. I've never seen it help morale and is even able to help recruiting. How many parents have you seen that have told their children it might be a good thing that you failed that test, maybe next year you will try harder repeating 8th grade for the 5th straight year?
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Bit of an exaggeration ,5th straight year. I don't think Dooley is wanting a mind set that says we are good if we make it to any bowl. Too much psychoanalysis going on in this thread.
 
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smokey79 said:
Fire Dooley! He doesnt have a effing clue anymore.
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smokey79 said:
Not that he ever had a clue he is a joke he does not deserve another year.
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All of your posts are pretty much the same negativity as the 2 above. You are especially fond of Dooley Sucks and Fire Dooley. If being a fan puts you thru this much anger and discontent, why continue putting yourself thru it?
 
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How much do they really care? Half of them didn't even know how long it had been since they had lost to Kentucky. They all need to get better.

There really is no plus to failure. That's why it's failure.
 
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Cartervol said:
How much do they really care? Half of them didn't even know how long it had been since they had lost to Kentucky. They all need to get better.

There really is no plus to failure. That's why it's failure.
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just curious as to why it is that important for a 18-19yo player from outside of TN/KY to really care about the streak with the cats. I've seen it stated many times and still just don't get why they need to know the exact number. It's still the next SEC game and they need to win no matter if it's been 22 or 26 years. Do you think they also need to know the exact streak vs bama or UF?
 
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utvolpj said:
just curious as to why it is that important for a 18-19yo player from outside of TN/KY to really care about the streak with the cats. I've seen it stated many times and still just don't get why they need to know the exact number. It's still the next SEC game and they need to win no matter if it's been 22 or 26 years. Do you think they also need to know the exact streak vs bama or UF?
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If you're going to act like you just won the damn superbowl for beating a sheety Vandy team, then have some damn pride about beating a piss poor Kentucky team. They played like they didn't give a **** and i guess from the sound of it they didn't. :salute:
 
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Wonder how many on here would trade beating Nebraska in the 98 Orange Bowl for the NC the next year?

Yes it sucks losing to KY but I will gladly take a loss to KY during a crappy year like this that can get the teams attention versus a fluke loss that happens to all good teams like the 96 Memphis game.

The question is, will it get their attention? If not, then Dooley can start calling realtors next year.
 
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Bigun said:
Wonder how many on here would trade beating Nebraska in the 98 Orange Bowl for the NC the next year?

Yes it sucks losing to KY but I will gladly take a loss to KY during a crappy year like this that can get the teams attention versus a fluke loss that happens to all good teams like the 96 Memphis game.

The question is, will it get their attention? If not, then Dooley can start calling realtors next year.
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He's got to get his house in order and everyone on the same page. Either that or go ahead and call that realtor.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Agree....but I'd like for this tactic not to be used again.
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It is not a tactic.... it is making lemons from lemonade. This is not about being ok with losing it is being able to use adversity to grow.

I do not get why people can't seem to get it. The goal is to never lose. Anyone with sense realizes that goal is unattainable but you still want to set that goal. What happens when that goal is not met is what separates champs from chumps. We seem to have a large amount of chumps in our fanbase.

We lose and, instead of sucking it up and supporting, folks go directly to the finger pointing and forecasting of falling skies. Trust me not a single person in these forums felt worse than the kids and coaches on that field after those loses. Do not fool yourselves. This is those coaches livelihoods on the line. Those kids are out there on that field either because they love the game or want to make a livelihood of it also. Trust me the stakes are way higher for them than us.
 
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