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#101
#101
99gator said:
i think his skin is pretty thick, he just chose not to have to deal with it.

y'all keep trashing the man and i haven't heard or see him say one negative thing about tennessee on his way out.

y'all wanted him out and he basically said "ok".

we'll see how it works out for both parties.
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ill bet anybody ANY amount of $ that cuonzo will NEVER make another sweet 16...EVER, hes a perennial NIT coach
 
#103
#103
99gator said:
i think his skin is pretty thick, he just chose not to have to deal with it.

y'all keep trashing the man and i haven't heard or see him say one negative thing about tennessee on his way out.

y'all wanted him out and he basically said "ok".

we'll see how it works out for both parties.
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exactly! And you'd think after 3 years this ridiculous bro-mance with Bruce Pearl would've ended but not here. There's some that'll still be beating that worthless drum 10 years from now.
 
#104
#104
99gator said:
i think his skin is pretty thick, he just chose not to have to deal with it.

y'all keep trashing the man and i haven't heard or see him say one negative thing about tennessee on his way out.

y'all wanted him out and he basically said "ok".

we'll see how it works out for both parties.
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Exactly. The fact that he chose not to deal with this idiotic fanbase doesn't mean he's "not a solid guy." ESPECIALLY when compared to Pearl, of all people.
 
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#109
Elite to me means at the bare minimum having your team consistently ranked in the top ten during the season, pulling in top ten recruiting classes every year, winning SEC Championships, #1 and # 2 seeds while competing in the NCAA at an highly competitive level by making finial fours, elite eights, and sweet sixteens on a regular basis.

Bruce Pearl is the closest that UT has ever had to being elite and it's not even close!
 
#111
#111
volfan53 said:
And you wonder why we are not going to get an elite type coach. BP was not an elite coach when he got here. He was an up and comer. He did some good stuff while he was here but he also got in trouble with the NCAA. We could not keep him. He will not be back as coach at Tennessee so please stop asking for something that will never happen. Please quit expecting the new coach to take us to the national championship in two or three years and expect him to win the SEC his first year. It is not going to happen. I predict that we get another mid major up and coming coach who will struggle with recruiting because he is trying to get kids to come to a school where the fans will rip them apart every time they have a bad game, make a mistake or don't live up to your expectations. The fans will be calling for him to be fired before the first season is over because we will probably only win 15 or 16 games next season and barely make the NIT. Now here comes the shocker, you can only blame yourself because you have given this school this reputation. You whiners, complainers, and non basketball playing experts have taken any chance for this program to improve and go to the next level. One bad call away from being in the elite eight for only the second time in school history and you complain.

Do me a favor this next year. Shut your trap. If you can't find something good to say just shut up. You are becoming a plague on this university. Enthusiasm for your school is expected but constant complaint and pointing fingers make you look like a Gator fan not a Vol fan. Have some respect and get you expectations for the next few years on a level that is obtainable not just a pipe dream. No one goes to the national championship in their first year. We have never played for a national championship in basketball so don't expect the next coach to do it in 2015. Please use some common sense.
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"One bad call away from being in the elite eight for only the second time in school history and you complain."

No, the complaining was when this team was underachieving during the regular season and losing to teams they should have beaten. A magical run at the end of the season doesn't make CCM a great coach all of a sudden. That's why we wanted Pearl back. CCM left because he knows next season we will not be a .500 ball club. He parlayed that win streak into a more secure job. I don't blame him as "a man has to know his limitations".
 
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#112
#112
very true and everyone on this site should know that espn hate's UT and its run wild through the media , glad ccm is gone, time to get down to work now and get a great coach :clapping::clapping::rock:
GAVol said:
I don't like the way that part of it went down either, but coaching changes are rarely pretty.
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#113
#113
GAVol said:
Jerry Green won at a 71.2% clip. Find a new definition of elite.
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How many #1 ranked teams did he beat? How Many tournaments did he win? How many times was he ranked #1? How many #2 seeds did we get in the NCAA? The list could go on, but he's gone.
 
#114
#114
knowthevols said:
How many #1 ranked teams did he beat? How Many tournaments did he win? How many times was he ranked #1? How many #2 seeds did we get in the NCAA? The list could go on, but he's gone.
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To be clear, when KTV says "tournaments," he's talking about preseason tournaments--not the ones that actually matter.
 
#116
#116
GAVol said:
Jerry Green won at a 71.2% clip. Find a new definition of elite.
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Jerry Green won at a 58% clip. He didn't just coach here and his career was longer than 4 years.

Pearl has a 76% career winning percentage in 19 seasons. In 18 of those seasons he made the post-season. In 17 of those 18 he was in his division's championship tournament. In 17 of those 19 seasons he won 20+ games. In 14 of his 19 seasons he had single digit losses. He went to at least the Sweet 16 in all 3 stops. He won a national championship in DII. His worst season in 19 years, 16-13. He's never had a sub .500 season at any stop.

To even compare him remotely to Jerry Green is an insult to anyone who has a modicum of intelligence in my opinion.
 
#117
#117
knowthevols said:
That is correct, preseason. how many did green win?
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Pearl is a better coach than Green and you are arguing against thin air right now. GA's point apparently went way over your head.

But, as a side note: how many "elite" coaches are 0-for-6 in major conference tournaments?
 
#118
#118
I'll help you out, KTV.

Person 1: All coaches with a .710 win% are elite.
Person 2: Jerry Green has a .710 win% and is clearly not elite, so that's false. Not all coaches with a .710 win% are elite.
KTV: But Pearl is better than Jerry Green. Therefore, he must be elite.

Find the error in logic.
 
#119
#119
VKAman said:
Pearl is a better coach than Green and you are arguing against thin air right now. GA's point apparently went way over your head.

But, as a side note: how many "elite" coaches are 0-for-6 in major conference tournaments?
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Tom Crean has never won a conference tournament.

Jon Beilein hasn't since he left Richmond.

Jay Wright has not since he was at Hofstra.

Buzz Williams has no conference tournament titles.

I could name a bunch more who haven't won major conference tournaments, but these guys are considered among the top 25 coaches in CBB on most any listing.

I could also name quite a few stinkers who got hot and did win conference tourney titles.

I could further name other super elite coaches who had longer than 6 year runs without winning a conference tournament title. Heck, Izzo went 11 years without winning the Big Ten conference title at one point. Heck, Roy Williams is on an 0-6 streak right now at UNC.
 
#120
#120
VKAman said:
I'll help you out, KTV.

Person 1: All coaches with a .710 win% are elite.
Person 2: Jerry Green has a .710 win% and is clearly not elite, so that's false. Not all coaches with a .710 win% are elite.
KTV: But Pearl is better than Jerry Green. Therefore, he must be elite.

Find the error in logic.
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The error in logic isn't a problem, it's an error in facts. Jerry Green won at a 58% clip, not 71%. You can't take a 4 year stretch out of an 18 year career and ignore the rest.
 
#121
#121
VolArmy74 said:
Tom Crean has never won a conference tournament.

Jon Beilein hasn't since he left Richmond.

Jay Wright has not since he was at Hofstra.

Buzz Williams has no conference tournament titles.

I could name a bunch more who haven't won major conference tournaments, but these guys are considered among the top 25 coaches in CBB on most any listing.

I could also name quite a few stinkers who got hot and did win conference tourney titles.

I could further name other super elite coaches who had longer than 6 year runs without winning a conference tournament title. Heck, Izzo went 11 years without winning the Big Ten conference title at one point. Heck, Roy Williams is on an 0-6 streak right now at UNC.
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I wouldn't consider Crean or (especially) Buzz Williams elite, so that leaves Wright and Beilein. Fair enough. But, each of them has been to multiple Elite Eights and a Final Four. Pearl, not so much.
 
#122
#122
VolArmy74 said:
The error in logic isn't a problem, it's an error in facts. Jerry Green won at a 58% clip, not 71%. You can't take a 4 year stretch out of an 18 year career and ignore the rest.
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The error in logic is still a problem, because there are plenty of coaches who have won 70% of their games and are not elite.
 
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#123
#123
Name an elite school fanbase that would have embraced Counzo after the last three years! If you want to run with the big dogs, you have to act like a big dog. Mediocrity is unacceptable!
 
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#124
#124
VKAman said:
The error in logic is still a problem, because there are plenty of coaches who have won 70% of their games and are not elite.
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I actually would like to see that list. Especially keeping in mind that Pearl won 76% of his games and he did it over a 19 year period so far. Jim Boehim wins a a 74% clip. Billy Donovan at a 72% clip. Rick Pitino at a 74% clip. Bill Self at a 75% clip. Izzo at 71%.

Winning percentages for a career above 70% are pretty elite. Especially when you've been doing it for a long time.
 
#125
#125
Pearl is not an elite coach. Elite coaches have at least a Final Four. Elite coaches don't lose twice in the first round with another year barely beating a 15 seed then losing to the next under dog in only six years.

70.4% is ok but not great. Stop trying to use D2 stats.
 
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