The Petitioners were right

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oregonvol said:
You said that I wanted to trade one for the other on the basis of character.

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I never said any such thing.

To clarify (though I think it is pretty clear already), I said that I didn't sign the petition because Cuozo's principle qualities were his character and dependability. He proved me wrong on those counts. I never suggested that character was among Pearl's principle qualies. But his qualities (proven track record, success after success) aren't shared by Cuonzo either.
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I think we're talking past each other a little bit. I guess my point is, just because Cuonzo proved disappointing, for whatever reason, doesn't mean that the petitioners were right to beg for the return of another disappointing guy.
 
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TN1 said:
It's threads like these that just go to show many VOL fans simply don't have a clue. The Bruce Pearl petition was a big mistake and the reflection of a fan base that is never content and simply clueless.

In fact, even after the incredible job Butch Jones is doing in bringing back the Volunteer football team, there are many fans who continuously come to this site to spout their ridiculous statements - such as predictions and expectations for 8 or more wins this season. What a joke you people are.

Much of it is a sign of immature, instant gratification fans who have no idea or simply want to ignore the fact that it will take several seasons to return Tennessee to a position where we can compete with top SEC teams on a regular basis.

I'm looking forward to that day as much as any VOL fan on the planet. In the meantime, let's all cheer on the VOL teams with passion and some sense of reality in mind.

Go VOLS!!!!!
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I don't see butch Jones whinning about the fans. He knows that we don't take mediocre and neither does he. Zo thought that his NCAA tournament run warranted a raise even tho his team should of been a sweet sixteen team with out a play in game
 
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volfan53 said:
Do me a favor this next year. Shut your trap. If you can't find something good to say just shut up. You are becoming a plague on this university. Enthusiasm for your school is expected but constant complaint and pointing fingers make you look like a Gator fan not a Vol fan. Have some respect and get you expectations for the next few years on a level that is obtainable not just a pipe dream. No one goes to the national championship in their first year. We have never played for a national championship in basketball so don't expect the next coach to do it in 2015. Please use some common sense.
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Haha! How's that working out for them?

Sheep who are happy with mediocrity don't help a program any more than passionate, critical fans.
 
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99gator said:
i think his skin is pretty thick, he just chose not to have to deal with it.

y'all keep trashing the man and i haven't heard or see him say one negative thing about tennessee on his way out.

y'all wanted him out and he basically said "ok".

we'll see how it works out for both parties.
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You won't hear him say anything negative about Tennessee. Unlike portions of this fan base he has class. That petition was an embarrassment to the University of Tennessee.
 
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GAVol said:
I think we're talking past each other a little bit. I guess my point is, just because Cuonzo proved disappointing, for whatever reason, doesn't mean that the petitioners were right to beg for the return of another disappointing guy.
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Fair enough. But any fan has a right to want what's best for their program. And my overall point stands that the petitioners were right. In hindsight, we would have been better off hiring Pearl two months ago than sticking it out with Cuonzo.
 
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99gator said:
i think his skin is pretty thick, he just chose not to have to deal with it.

y'all keep trashing the man and i haven't heard or see him say one negative thing about tennessee on his way out.

y'all wanted him out and he basically said "ok".

we'll see how it works out for both parties.
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Tell it like it is....very good:good!:
 
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oregonvol said:
Fair enough. But any fan has a right to want what's best for their program. And my overall point stands that the petitioners were right. In hindsight, we would have been better off hiring Pearl two months ago than sticking it out with Cuonzo.
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The petitioners were not right. There is zero chance of Pearl coming back to Tennessee. All they have done is run off the current coach, and set us up to hire Missouri State coach 2.0. Good job fellas.
 
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oregonvol said:
Fair enough. But any fan has a right to want what's best for their program. And my overall point stands that the petitioners were right. In hindsight, we would have been better off hiring Pearl two months ago than sticking it out with Cuonzo.
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Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. We just happen to disagree and there's no way to ever know who would've been right, so we're just left to slack off at work and argue about it aimlessly here.

Ain't Volnation grand?
 
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While I agree that CCM hasn't handled his departure as smoothly as I wish, no way I can agree with any statement that the petition was correct and appropriate. While we can disagree as to whether or not we want a coach to remain on staff, we ought to do so, at lease IMO, without completely disrespecting that coach. That petition was classless in my view.
 
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99gator said:
i think his skin is pretty thick, he just chose not to have to deal with it.

y'all keep trashing the man and i haven't heard or see him say one negative thing about tennessee on his way out.

y'all wanted him out and he basically said "ok".

we'll see how it works out for both parties.
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This is the most accurate post I've seen about the situation.
 
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i don't know what thread this would be appropriate in, but regarding some of the "disfunction".....

some, i emphasize some, fans went from signing a petition that would end his employment (can't bring back bruce if you don't get rid of zo) to believing tennessee was going to win the national championship and back to cuonzo being a no good bum....

and people did it within a two month span of time.
 
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GAVol said:
Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. We just happen to disagree and there's no way to ever know who would've been right, so we're just left to slack off at work and argue about it aimlessly here.

Ain't Volnation grand?
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Yep. It certainly is a good way to kill valuable time. :)
 
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oregonvol said:
I didn't sign the petition. I thought Cuonzo Martin was a solid, dependable guy and that we ought to let the season play out.

But, in hindsight, I have to admit, those of you who signed the petition were right.

You were right because Martin turned out to not be a solid guy. Turns out, he can't handle criticism.Turns out, he's the kind of guy who doesn't expect his job to be on the line when heading for his 3rd straight NIT at a major program. Turns out, he's the type of guy who will issue a statement saying he's staying at a school and praising their fans, and then do an about face two weeks later, while on a recruiting visit paid for by that school and their fans (taking said recruit with him to his new job). I had him all wrong.

You were right because, it turns out, we really couldn't wait for the season to play out. Before it did, Auburn swooped in and hired Bruce Pearl away. It was a move that was almost universally praised by the same media that seems intent to criticize UT fans for wanting the same thing for their program.

I just wanted to say that I was wrong. The petitioners were right. They didn't jump the gun. Had the rest of us listened to them, we would have a proven elite basketball coach right now, and we wouldn't have kept giving chances to an untrustworthy guy who can't handle criticism.
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Dang Oregon!...You talk to a burning bush or something? :good!:
 
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Oregon Vol, good post must have slept at a Holiday Inn Express the other night.
 
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oregonvol said:
Haha! How's that working out for them?

Sheep who are happy with mediocrity don't help a program any more than passionate, critical fans.
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Didn't say be happy with mediocrity. I said you have to give time for someone to build up a program. The fans I am talking about wanted CCM gone even though he was one bad call away from the elite eight which we have only been to once. He was building a team that bought into his style of play and they really were getting it all together at the end of the season. I had high expectations for next year but now we will have to take another 3 years with a new coach just to try and get back to where we were at the end of this season. You have to understand that it does not happen overnight. How long did it take for Billy Donavan to get things going at Florida? Has he had average years in between his great years? It is a process that our fans do not seem to want to wait for the rewards that come from patience. If I am wrong about how it will be for our basketball team for the next three years I will apologize but I am willing to bet I am not wrong. Basketball was my sport for 30 years. The rules may change but it is still basically played the same way.
 
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volfan53 said:
All of you nay sayers will regret this move for probably the next 3 seasons. We are not going to get an elite coach. The fan base has proven that they expect miracles and will call for your ouster if you don't bring them in your first season. Does not matter that the incoming coach will have his own system and will have to try and make it fit to the talent he has now. If you lose a game on a bad call at the end of the game it is the coach's fault, let's fire him. Have a player have a bad shooting night, fire the coach. Take your unranked team into a top ten teams house and play a close game you could have won but don't, fire the coach. After being criticized relentlessly for a year the coach thanks the fans who have stood by the team during the rough stretch, fire the coach for not thanking the #$$ wipes who complain all the time.

And you wonder why we are not going to get an elite type coach. BP was not an elite coach when he got here. He was an up and comer. He did some good stuff while he was here but he also got in trouble with the NCAA. We could not keep him. He will not be back as coach at Tennessee so please stop asking for something that will never happen. Please quit expecting the new coach to take us to the national championship in two or three years and expect him to win the SEC his first year. It is not going to happen. I predict that we get another mid major up and coming coach who will struggle with recruiting because he is trying to get kids to come to a school where the fans will rip them apart every time they have a bad game, make a mistake or don't live up to your expectations. The fans will be calling for him to be fired before the first season is over because we will probably only win 15 or 16 games next season and barely make the NIT. Now here comes the shocker, you can only blame yourself because you have given this school this reputation. You whiners, complainers, and non basketball playing experts have taken any chance for this program to improve and go to the next level. One bad call away from being in the elite eight for only the second time in school history and you complain.

Do me a favor this next year. Shut your trap. If you can't find something good to say just shut up. You are becoming a plague on this university. Enthusiasm for your school is expected but constant complaint and pointing fingers make you look like a Gator fan not a Vol fan. Have some respect and get you expectations for the next few years on a level that is obtainable not just a pipe dream. No one goes to the national championship in their first year. We have never played for a national championship in basketball so don't expect the next coach to do it in 2015. Please use some common sense.
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Expecting 20 wins and an NCAA tournament bid every year is not expecting a miracle. This is Tennessee. We expect to have a chance for some measure of glory every year. This is why they built TBO and why we fill it up when we are competitive.
 
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volfan53 said:
Didn't say be happy with mediocrity. I said you have to give time for someone to build up a program. The fans I am talking about wanted CCM gone even though he was one bad call away from the elite eight which we have only been to once. He was building a team that bought into his style of play and they really were getting it all together at the end of the season. I had high expectations for next year but now we will have to take another 3 years with a new coach just to try and get back to where we were at the end of this season. You have to understand that it does not happen overnight. How long did it take for Billy Donavan to get things going at Florida? Has he had average years in between his great years? It is a process that our fans do not seem to want to wait for the rewards that come from patience. If I am wrong about how it will be for our basketball team for the next three years I will apologize but I am willing to bet I am not wrong. Basketball was my sport for 30 years. The rules may change but it is still basically played the same way.
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So if Cunzo came back next year what your prediction for the team's record?? Would we make the tourney??

This was his most talented team he has had. He barely made it into the NCAA tourney, through a play in game. If we had lost that game, I consider that missing the tourney. Play in games do not qualifiy. Isn't it his responsibility to recruit quality players?? Who would score points for us, Richardson then who?? How many of his Juco players panned out?? I can recall him signing about 4 players that never developed. That is a result of coaching or lack of..

Im glad he is gone. Lets hope Hart brings in a quality coach. Bring the checkbook. A winning Basketball team can make the university $$, due to our passionate fanbase attending games, concessions, & gear.

My .02
 
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volfan53 said:
Didn't say be happy with mediocrity. I said you have to give time for someone to build up a program. The fans I am talking about wanted CCM gone even though he was one bad call away from the elite eight which we have only been to once. He was building a team that bought into his style of play and they really were getting it all together at the end of the season. I had high expectations for next year but now we will have to take another 3 years with a new coach just to try and get back to where we were at the end of this season. You have to understand that it does not happen overnight. How long did it take for Billy Donavan to get things going at Florida? Has he had average years in between his great years? It is a process that our fans do not seem to want to wait for the rewards that come from patience. If I am wrong about how it will be for our basketball team for the next three years I will apologize but I am willing to bet I am not wrong. Basketball was my sport for 30 years. The rules may change but it is still basically played the same way.
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Basically your trying to set it up that the new coach will be a failure with the "high expectation for next year" when most know it's was going to be a bad year anyway. Year after probably not much better. So your " if I'm wrong" statement is useless because u will claim we would have been someplace we would not have been.
 
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Would you all be happy if we could get Billy Donavan to be our coach? If we had gotten him in 96 you would have been begging for him to be fired according to his accomplishments at Florida. How has he worked out for Florida since they decided to stand behind him even though he went through some struggles at the beginning? This is what I mean about having patience for a coach to develop into that one that gets his team into position to challenge for a national championship. It does not matter what anyone says to you guys or the facts put in front of your eyes to read you will still run off good coaches if they don't win immediately. Mediocrity is not what I want for UT but it is what we will get with the mentality of the fans of this generation. You have to learn to appreciate the small victories on the way to greatness or you will be doomed to mediocrity.
 
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One of the most idiotic things about this deal is fans of other teams trying to lecture vol fans for the exact same thing they do and have done. Glass houses!!!
 
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I didn't sign the petition because it was stupid and during the season, you don't do that to your team!

Yes, I thought CM was nothing more than a mediocre coach who hit his ceiling this year and would struggle to ever make the tourney again. I was hoping he got the Marquette job but they thought better. Now I'm just glad he's gone and we are off the buyout hook.
 
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LocoVol said:
Basically your trying to set it up that the new coach will be a failure with the "high expectation for next year" when most know it's was going to be a bad year anyway. Year probably not much better. So your " if I'm wrong" statement is useless because u will claim we would have been someplace we would not have been.
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Not saying the new coach will be a failure. I am saying we have to give him time to make it his team and bring in his players. This is not an overnight process. Don't call for him to be fired if next year we don't go to the elite eight. My prediction was for the next three years but don't let that be part of your comment because it didn't fit what you had to say. If you are going to quote me don't take it out if context or change what I said to make yourself look smarter because it does not work. I am done trying to explain how the real world works to you so calked fans. The next three years will be mediocre due to fan constant complaints. You drive recruits and coaches away. You get what you deserve. The problem is the rest of us have to put up with it also. If you are all such basketball experts why are you not coaching for a living? Oh wait, snap, you aren't good enough just like the rest of us.
 
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