The Personnel Lane Kiffin has to work with..

#76
#76
The QB agenda's have got to go. The fact of the matter is, of our 3 returning quarterbacks, each 1) sucked out loud, or 2) didn't play enough to suck out loud - because they weren't good enough to prove that they didn't suck out loud.

This coming year we have a coaching staff that will remove all bias from the situation, and hopefully provide good enough coaching so that at least one of the 3, if not more, will be servicable.

This should be a scenario everyone is happy with... each of the 3 will get his shot and the best guy will play, whoever that ends up being.
 
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#77
JTrainDavis said:
Not to pile on, but what is the deal with BJ? I know there is a sizeable East Tennessee lobby group here, but you can't put him ahead of Nick.

Stephens has some skill, and the zeal to be a team leader...We don't have the mother lode at QB right now, but i'm of the opinion that Nick is the best we have..
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At this point he is. BJ might have some of the intangibles, but not nearly the arm strength needed to spread the field the way we need. As I've said before, I've seen BJ play more than 95% + of this board and I would bet $500 that he would never make it as a solid SEC QB.
 
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General Jack said:
The QB agenda's have got to go. The fact of the matter is, of our 3 returning quarterbacks, each 1) sucked out loud, or 2) didn't play enough to suck out loud - because they weren't good enough to prove that they didn't suck out loud.

This coming year we have a coaching staff that will remove all bias from the situation, and hopefully provide good enough coaching so that at least one of the 3, if not more, will be servicable.

This should be a scenario everyone is happy with... each of the 3 will get his shot and the best guy will play, whoever that ends up being.
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That's how I feel even though you might have been including me in the whole agenda thing. But I really don't have an agenda, just an opinion. And I get a little aggravated when people keep pushing for BJ knowing absolutely nothing of his abilities.
 
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therickbol said:
You can probably put it in stone that Warren will be behind Stocker and Cottam. The physical nature that Kiffin is doing to demand from his players (esp his TEs) is not a good sign for Warren at all. Warren's problem is that he does not like to play physical. He will have to have a special package where we get the ball to him out of an H-back type position. He will not see many snaps next season out of the normal TE position.
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You might be right but Stocker was horrific. Our QBs were obviously horrific as well but I remember passes being dropped by Stocker b/c it was so unusual that a pass actually hit the hands of a receiver. Cottam might be over Warren but I still think Warren sees a lot of playing time at least at the slot receiver. He was a freaking Freshman All-American at FSU. Yet, somehow, he's not good enough for UT?:blink:
 
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#80
crusse10 said:
I looked through each game's play by play. Through counting, it was clear to find 10 drops.
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Most play by plays I've seen show the intended receiver but do not say whether or not the receiver dropped it or it was just an uncatchable pass.
 
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General Jack said:
I remember hearing the same "anti-QB" sentiments direced towards Ainge after his sophomore season. Amazing what some coaching did for a previously down and out player. Crompton was very highly regarded coming into Tennessee, and he still has the physical tools.
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This is very, very different.

Ainge was injured as a sophomore and never got untracked. The turmoil on the offensive coaching staff didn't help, either. But he had already shown what he could do as a freshman.

Crompton has had coaching. Before Dave Clawson ever met him, he had worked with Cut for two years. Even played quite a bit during some injuries. And he wasn't worth a hoot then, either.

And, as I have said before, even if you thought he could be turned around, playing him is futile. He's going to be a senior, and we're not going to be good enough to win anything in 2009.

There's going to be a window in 2010, with Tebow out of the SEC East and UGA likely rebuilding a little. But if we're breaking in a new QB because we played Crompton to assure ourselves of a Music City Bowl trip the year before, we're assured of being out of the race before September is done.

If Crompton ever throws another pass, it should be for UTC or Carson-Newman.
 
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#83
Stocker did lead the country in drops after being compared to an All Pro by the television announcers.
 
#84
#84
I think JC has used up all of his opportunities to start. Coach him to be a backup, but the program cannot afford to have a QB out there who has issues with staying focused throughout an entire ballgame.
 
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phi0129 said:
That's how I feel even though you might have been including me in the whole agenda thing. But I really don't have an agenda, just an opinion. And I get a little aggravated when people keep pushing for BJ knowing absolutely nothing of his abilities.
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Problem with that thought process is, Crompton and Stephens both had a chance to win the job(Crompton twice)and neither one was even close.:no:
 
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#89
BeecherVol said:
Problem with that thought process is, Crompton and Stephens both had a chance to win the job(Crompton twice)and neither one was even close.:no:
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Fortunately, that's not how rational coaches choose a QB.

All 3 bring something to the table and will probably get a shot. JC's mountain to climb is much higher for the reason someone mentioned earlier... it makes no sense to invest the required time in him for just one year.

All over the country you have much less talented QB's starting and playing well when the system fits them, they have decent play around them, and they get good coaching.

FTR.... IF the OL play does not improve significantly, no one will be able to get the job done. It all has to start there. You could bring Manning, Ainge, or whoever back and they couldn't do much better with the situation those guys endured last year.

Unfortunately, any upgrades to that group will be a function of coaching since they'll have basically the same guys minus a couple of guys with NFL potential.
 
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#90
As far as skills and competitivness I like Stephens. The way the coaches handled him was gawd aweful! Crompton is not smart enough to find 2nd and 3rd options, imo. :zeitung_lesen:
 
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#91
samdavol said:
As far as skills and competitivness I like Stephens. The way the coaches handled him was gawd aweful! Crompton is not smart enough to find 2nd and 3rd options, imo. :zeitung_lesen:
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Plus Crompton is a graduate of the Brian Williams School of Bounce Passing...
 
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