The onside kick

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cHiZzLeVOL said:
That might be. However, even in High School on an Onside Kick you are told to attack the player first and then the ball. You usually have specific people actually dedicated to hitting the opposing player catching and the person actually attacking the ball.

Which is what this play seemed to be dialed up to do. These young kids didn't execute and that's on them.
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on a single play.sure. This team fails to execute on entire.games, that.is on the coaching staff.
 
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If I send a gimp thoroughbred to the gate at the Kentucky Derby, is it his fault he didn’t win, or mine for not knowing better than to send a gimp to win a race?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Nope. All coaching. Players cannot be expected to execute without being coached up..
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Please tell me this is Sarcasm. The only technique needed in this one play is the desire to want the ball more! Wished we had a team full of players like Jauan Jennings, the dude is a beast and plays angry. No way FL gets that ball if everyone on the team played with his passion.
 
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volfannbama said:
So said anything about players having zero avcountability? Im not sure why the concept is so hard to understand. Individual players are accountable for their performance. If they fail to perform coaches should deal with that in the most effective way they can. The head coach holds overall responsibility for the teams performance as a whole. Right now the team as a whole has not performed well at all,.so pruitt is ultimately responsible. How is this not common sense?
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As long as you understand that football is a team sport that requires coaching and players executing then its all good. But the notion that coaches should be held much more responsibility is just false and overall a very dumb way of thinking.
 
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Advol said:
I am confused..………….."people JUST cannot understand that players have to execute the coaches plan. Yes coaches are to blame?? But so are players.

The coaches called for an onside kick. The players did NOT execute. It is not the coaches fault to blame. Like most plays, if it works its great. If it doesn't it sux and is stupid.

But I do believe we have stumbled onto something here. You can fire the coaches. But if the players DONOT start executing the plays called, it aint gonna be pretty. Truth be known, I am not sure these players, especially the lines can execute. They are that bad. So who is the BLAME for that?
That has been beat to death and we probably wont agree totally who is to blame nor how long it will take to correct it.
It appears the Coaching Staff has figured that out and I believe they are as frustrated as we are.
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Coaches do deserve blame. Its Pruitt and his staffs job to put the best guys they think can execute on the field. Its their job to coach them up, but you do make great points. I have said this in other posts, I have seen many posters ranting over players like Bryce Thompson, Alonte Taylor and Jeremy Banks. Hell, there is even a thread asking if Taylor is the best player on the team. The fact that is even being considered, reiterates your sentiments. The players Pruitt inherited from Botch just arent good. They have been brainwashed by Botchs ridiculous snake oil.

At the end of the day, succesful football requires coaches coaching and players executing. If either one fails, then the team fails.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I mean possibly on the coaches for playing guys that won't execute. But, the players have to be held accountable at some point.
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Agreed.

Coach can teach a guy the proper techniques, fundamentals, nutrition, exercise, and discipline. He can make motivational speeches until he's blue in the face. At game time, it's up to the players to remember, apply, and execute the coaches lessons.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
As long as you understand that football is a team sport that requires coaching and players executing then its all good. But the notion that coaches should be held much more responsibility is just false and overall a very dumb way of thinking.
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Why wouldnt I understand that. But the coach is ultimately responsible, whether we like it or not. He get the big.money and his job will ultimately hinge on the performance or lack off from his team.
 
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volfannbama said:
Why wouldnt I understand that. But the coach is ultimately responsible, whether we like it or not. He get the big.money and his job will ultimately hinge on the performance or lack off from his team.
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Wrong. But thats your position and you are sticking to it.
 
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I thought it was strange that Pruitt settled for a field goal, as if to say "no biggie, game's still early," and then called an onside kick which almost always is a desperation play saved for the end of games. I know people mix them at times, but those times are the exceptions that prove the rule. Jarring juxtaposition of back-to-back calls by the coach. Also, perfectly executed onside kicks where the kicking team recovers are exceedingly rare.
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
I thought it was strange that Pruitt settled for a field goal, as if to say "no biggie, game's still early," and then called an onside kick which almost always is a desperation play saved for the end of games. I know people mix them at times, but those times are the exceptions that prove the rule. Jarring juxtaposition of back-to-back calls by the coach. Also, perfectly executed onside kicks where the kicking team recovers are exceedingly rare.
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Both of our onsides should of been recovered. One of them hit Callaway in the hands. Lol. Just Tennessee luck that we didn't get either of them.
 
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volfannbama said:
Why wouldnt I understand that. But the coach is ultimately responsible, whether we like it or not. He get the big.money and his job will ultimately hinge on the performance or lack off from his team.[/QUOTE]

There is truth in these statements "coach is ultimately responsible" and "his job ultimately hinge on the performance or lack of" but ONLY after 3-4 years minimum, not months on the job with 3/4s of the previous coaches players, as is the case now............
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Absolutely, ive said many times, if the only factor is field performance he gets at least 3 years. The only way you can get rid of him before that would be crazy off the field stuff. We should have a good indication of.what type of coach he is next year.
 
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volfannbama said:
Absolutely, ive said many times, if the only factor is field performance he gets at least 3 years. The only way you can get rid of him before that would be crazy off the field stuff. We should have a good indication of.what type of coach he is next year.
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Good point!
 
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Loved the call. I told my son right before the kick, watch this onside kick coming. He could not believe it when it happened.
 
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EODVOL said:
Please tell me this is Sarcasm. The only technique needed in this one play is the desire to want the ball more! Wished we had a team full of players like Jauan Jennings, the dude is a beast and plays angry. No way FL gets that ball if everyone on the team played with his passion.
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of course it is
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
I thought it was strange that Pruitt settled for a field goal, as if to say "no biggie, game's still early," and then called an onside kick which almost always is a desperation play saved for the end of games. I know people mix them at times, but those times are the exceptions that prove the rule. Jarring juxtaposition of back-to-back calls by the coach. Also, perfectly executed onside kicks where the kicking team recovers are exceedingly rare.
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I don't think it is desperation. There have been elite coaches call the play when it wasn't warranted. The best time for an onside kick is when the opposing team least expects it. It was a great call. If only the 5 on 1 were in our favor, FML!
 
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Doberman said:
Nope. Only had one National Championship at that time. A dud.
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Never said he was a dud, but his legacy hadn’t really begun at that point. And there were very few Bama fans who were big fans of him in 2007 after already losing to ULM. If his onside kick had failed, and if he had lost to TN, it would’ve been considered a bad call also. Instead, because of hindsight it was a great call.
 
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