The One 100% Guaranteed Thing About the New HC

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volzfanz said:
I agree on Kiffin. You don’t generally hire a guy who replaced you anyway.
And I don’t know that Tee isn’t ready. Just like you don’t know that he is ready. That’s exactly the point. It’s the unknown. Any reasonable person should know Tee is trending upward. But with our program in the shape it’s in, and having taken risks on the last two guys, I just think a guy like Les is a way better, way safer bet to keep us from falling off the face of the earth.
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I agree he’s probably the safer bet. But I also think Tee has the better chance of getting us to Atlanta 3-4 years from now. Les is looking at retirement in 3-4 years. Tee is high risk/high reward, but that’s something I’m will to try. This team isn’t competing next year with Nick Saban as HC. It’s going to take atleast a few top recruiting classes.
 
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volzfanz said:
I agree on Kiffin. You don’t generally hire a guy who replaced you anyway.
And I don’t know that Tee isn’t ready. Just like you don’t know that he is ready. That’s exactly the point. It’s the unknown. Any reasonable person should know Tee is trending upward. But with our program in the shape it’s in, and having taken risks on the last two guys, I just think a guy like Les is a way better, way safer bet to keep us from falling off the face of the earth.
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I'm more confident Tee is ready than not. I fully believe he's ready to make the next move in his career. He has been coaching for many, many years now and at a high level. He's headcoaching material and just waiting on golden opportunity. He's not a guy that will need to head coach at a smaller program. He's been a part of HUGE college football at a very high level both playing and coaching. He could surely handle it. Complete confidence in him.
 
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madbamahater said:
Those would be orange colored glasses. But no, I'm not wearing them. I'm not suggesting they hire Tee. But if they do I'm confident in him. You are kind of answering your own question...I know him because he is a championship winning star from Tennessee. He's a winner period. He knows what it takes to win at a place like UT. How? Because he did it.....

Les Miles was trending downward before let go.....Tee is trending upward.....
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Good point. But Les is one of the winningest coaches in history. He is in some elite company. I won’t cry if they hire Tee. I just think better options are available. I actually believe Tee will be successful at some point. But to say he will have a .700 career winning percentage is yet to be seen. Les is proven. Les already did it. He has experience. It’s a reasonable assumption that he will win 7-9 games and go to a bowl game. However, Tee is a great recruiter and would certainly be a favorite of the players. So go figure.
 
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BP4Prez said:
I agree he’s probably the safer bet. But I also think Tee has the better chance of getting us to Atlanta 3-4 years from now. Les is looking at retirement in 3-4 years. Tee is high risk/high reward, but that’s something I’m will to try. This team isn’t competing next year with Nick Saban as HC. It’s going to take atleast a few top recruiting classes.
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Exactly so that would be Tee's "learning curve" as a head coach. Year 1 and maybe 2 will pretty much suck for anyone....so there ya go.

It's not like Les would come in and be in ATL in year 1 or 2 either. Les isn't the long term answer. Tee just may be...
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm more confident Tee is ready than not. I fully believe he's ready to make the next move in his career. He has been coaching for many, many years now and at a high level. He's headcoaching material and just waiting on golden opportunity. He's not a guy that will need to head coach at a smaller program. He's been a part of HUGE college football at a very high level both playing and coaching. He could surely handle it. Complete confidence in him.
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I think Tee would a fantastic hire for Arkansas and other teams that could help him learn how to be a head coach . Not Tennessee. Our standards are insanely high for a coach that has never been a head coach
 
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BP4Prez said:
I agree he’s probably the safer bet. But I also think Tee has the better chance of getting us to Atlanta 3-4 years from now. Les is looking at retirement in 3-4 years. Tee is high risk/high reward, but that’s something I’m will to try. This team isn’t competing next year with Nick Saban as HC. It’s going to take atleast a few top recruiting classes.
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Not to be argumentative, but you are willing to take yet another risk? Why? When you don’t have to?
 
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BP4Prez said:
Who are you referring to? There are no home run options out there at this point.
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I believe Fulmer when he said people that didn't pick up the phone will pick up the phone now. Besides the guys that got raises and new contracts, tons of quality coaches out there
 
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Tee is a great recruiter and knows the game. I think he’s a great coach. But he’s been OC for only 2 years now. Him not being ready has just as much to do with the state of the program as it does with him. We need a strong, experienced HC presence to get us back on track.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
With Fulmer in charge, it is absolutely guaranteed that our new head coach will have Tennessee ties. No Leach, Frost, Taggart, Kiffin, etc. Martin, Cooter and, yep, Gruden are the three. One of these guys will be our hext coach. GUARANTEED. My guess... Tee Martin. The relationship with Fulmer is there, the TN connection and the OC background... Just like Fulmer. In fact, Phil tipped his hand yesterday making the OC reference. It's a "risky" hire, but it makes sense, and I think most of Volnation would applaud.

Tee could be one of the best recruiters ever at UT.
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I don't recall Fulmer using the term "Tennessee ties".
 
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Who would ever hire someone based on where they are from or what school they attended. I agree with others if they weren't VFL's not one person here would be suggesting them be the head coach.
Please for once can we just hire the best coach we can get for the job? First we have to go through this craziness with the AD and Haslam, that gets resolved and here we are as fans suggesting things every bit as crazy.
I said if Currie were ousted and Haslam removed from power I'd be happy with whoever was named the new coach but I sure hope after this last decade we do the right thing and hire the best coach available, we deserve it.
 
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I never, ever, believe anyone who says, "Believe me", or "Trust me", or "I guarantee it".

Generally they can't be believed or trusted and their guarantees are worthless.

There's a life lesson fer all you young whippersnappers out there.
 
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volzfanz said:
Not to be argumentative, but you are willing to take yet another risk? Why? When you don’t have to?
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I am. But I have more faith in Tee than many, and don’t feel he is as big of risk as other people do (and I get your view point). He has done what he needs to do by working his way up the ladder. I don’t see Les winning more than 6-7 games next year either, not with this roster. So why not take a chance with Tee?

Tee is one of the best recruiters in America and I have little doubt that would continue here. And that’s what’s needed here to build this roster. It’s not a quick fix. Obviously, recruiting alone shouldn’t be the reason, but I believe in Tee as a all around coach.
 
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Fulmer alluded to hiring someone with experience which inherently disqualifies Martin.

Bringing up Gruden at this point is utterly stupid.

Cooter has more important things to do like working his way up to an NFL head coach and he scoffed at even being a candidate.

OP needs to drop his guarantees into the Currituck Sound.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Fulmer alluded to hiring someone with experience which inherently disqualifies Martin.

Bringing up Gruden at this point is utterly stupid.

Cooter has more important things to do like working his way up to an NFL head coach and he scoffed at even being a candidate.

OP needs to drop his guarantees into the Currituck Sound.
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He also made the point he wasn’t against hiring a coordinator, and made the point that’s how he came up.
 
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I’m going to be extremely disappointed if we passed on Leach to get Tee. If he weren’t front tennessee people would revolt over the hiring of a 2 year coordinator of an average offense.

Newsflash - being part of a national championship doesn’t ensure you a lifetime of success at that school. NC State was desperate to get a good basketball coach w NC State ties, so they hired Sidney Lowe. Sidney was the PG for their national championship team and was a good assistant coach in the NBA. He clearly was a huge failure at NC State.
 
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I heard Fulmer has contacted John Majors and he will be our new coach

He has experience as a head coach and Tennessee connections
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
With Fulmer in charge, it is absolutely guaranteed that our new head coach will have Tennessee ties. No Leach, Frost, Taggart, Kiffin, etc. Martin, Cooter and, yep, Gruden are the three. One of these guys will be our hext coach. GUARANTEED. My guess... Tee Martin. The relationship with Fulmer is there, the TN connection and the OC background... Just like Fulmer. In fact, Phil tipped his hand yesterday making the OC reference. It's a "risky" hire, but it makes sense, and I think most of Volnation would applaud.

Tee could be one of the best recruiters ever at UT.
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I agree to a certain extent. I believe the guy we hire to be HC will not be expected to be a UT guy nor will he be the long term solution. I think Phil is going to instill his playbook on this one:

1. Get a seasoned vet who has had previous sustained success. Guys in this list would be in the mold of a Miles, Cut, or Gruden. Yes I included two guys with UT ties in there but just as examples of guys who fit the mold. The seasoned vet would lay the ground work for the expectations, the culture, and for an HC in waiting who would ultimately take over the program after 4+ years when the seasoned vet rides off in the sunset to the retirement home.

2. Get up and coming UT guys as the seasoned vet's main understudys (coordinators). Guys in this group would include the Martins, JBCs and Steeles. These guys would be brought in as the long term future plan guys for the program. The goal of these guys would be to be like a sponge soaking up everything they can from the seasoned vet HC. These guys instill the UT blood inside the program on the micro level with the players along with learning what it takes to build and sustain a championship level team.

3. In 4+ years the program's foundation is laid from the seasoned vet and one of the understudys takes over the program. At this point the understudy does not need HC experience as he will have soaked up all from the seasoned vet and has the successful foundation laid inside the program where all he has to do is step in and lead the culture that they have been a part of for 4+ years.

At this point you now have a championship caliber team that is led with Big Orange men. If you look at it this plan is a blueprint for success in several highly successful programs. It's the path Lincoln Riley, Clay Helton, Dabo Swinney, Mike Gundy, Chris Petersen, Jimbo Fisher, Bobby Bowden (yes one from the past) and Phil Fulmer took.

This is how you build a Tennessee that is successful with Tennessee men, I believe Fulmer sees this and will go down this path.
 
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