The Official Tennessee @ Vanderbilt Game Thread, 7:00pm ET, SEC Network

[cncchris33]

Yes, when you compare his coaching to our current coach.

I don't know what you're watching, but his offense was just as run-and-gun as anything we've seen from Barnes.

Defensively, I liked Pearl's philosophies better, specifically the pressure after made baskets, on out-of-bouns plays, and his man-to-man tendencies to ice the pick-and-roll and recover.

Offensively, it was as simple as find a way to get the ball to Chris Lofton or JaJuan Smith. Same as it is with Kevin Punter now.

 

[e-VOL-ution2013]

Take Josh Richardson away from Tyndall and his record is the same or worse than Barnes this year.

Conversely, give Rick Barnes Josh Richardson and we are on the bubble. IMO

 

[Otis07]

we suck and we suck badly

 

[Vols4us]

Take Josh Richardson away from Tyndall and his record is the same or worse than Barnes this year.

Conversely, give Rick Barnes Josh Richardson and we are on the bubble. IMO

This. Without a real #5. Punter gets to play the #2 more. Hubbs becomes unnecessary to winning, which he is now when he decides to show up. More rest for Schofield and Phillips. Less time for Baulkman. J-Rich's defense adds a stopper. All positive for winning.

 

[e-VOL-ution2013]

This. Without a real #5. Punter gets to play the #2 more. Hubbs becomes unnecessary to winning, which he is now when he decides to show up. More rest for Schofield and Phillips. Less time for Baulkman. J-Rich's defense adds a stopper. All positive for winning.

I will add the fact that I think J0Rich's defensive hustle would make the others play harder on D and completely change the look of this team on D.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I will add the fact that I think J0Rich's defensive hustle would make the others play harder on D and completely change the look of this team on D.

There would be a 5-10 point per game swing in the point differential this year compared to last year if TN would have had defenders consistently challenging the uncontested breakaway baskets this year.

 

[e-VOL-ution2013]

There would be a 5-10 point per game swing in the point differential this year compared to last year if TN would have had defenders consistently challenging the uncontested breakaway baskets this year.

Exactly! Just off the top of my head I will say that would put us beating Arkansas and I will say we beat Texas A&M and possibly Miss St and Alabama.

 

[1982Alum]

Is there an SEC team out there with worse men's and women's teams than Tennessee? Yeah the women are 8-8 and have a winning record but Holly made a team full of All Americans from HS a 7th place SEC team. Pathetic job by her.

And the men's team has to be the worst shooting team in many years. No big men and a group of guys all playing out of position with VERY limited skills.

How long does the AD let this continue? Just awful.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Tyndall and Barnes were both going to a gunfight with a butter knife in their first year. Tyndall beat this same Vandy team minus one player 2 out of 3 times. He had no business beating them with the talent they had. His defense and slowing the game down won it. Just like Cuonzo would win against Baldy. His defense gave Stallings' teams fits. Barnes has to get better recruits in because his style of play doesn't bode well against Stallings' style of play. They are a terrible match up for us at this point. If we don't play some semblance of defense then we'll get swept again next year.

And as Basilio has said, Tyndall knew talent. Bash him all you want for what he did at So Miss but he knew talent and he knew how to coach the game. We don't win a number of games last year without his coaching.

Best read I have seen here in a long time! Barnes will only be a successful recruiter here if he can find some Kevin Durant, D. J. Augustin, Cory Joseph, Tristan Thompson, etc. types. He got very few at Providence and Clemson and it seems as though that is going to be the way it is here.

There are other coaches besides Barnes that CAN get these types of players here and Will Wade, to wear out a oft used example, appears to be one who can do this. Donnie Tyndall was on the path to recruit players that would provide drive and competitiveness that would have made us proud. HOWEVER, TYNDALL HAD HIS OWN ISSUES TO DEAL WITH!

I don't know what has happened to Barnes and his staff recently, but the recruits he has brought in at Texas the past few years and here in his first 1 1/2 classes have not measured up, at least on paper. Give him the Spring period and see what he does for 2018. If aspects don't start looking up, then it's time to be concerned about finding someone who can do the job.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Is there an SEC team out there with worse men's and women's teams than Tennessee? Yeah the women are 8-8 and have a winning record but Holly made a team full of All Americans from HS a 7th place SEC team. Pathetic job by her.

And the men's team has to be the worst shooting team in many years. No big men and a group of guys all playing out of position with VERY limited skills.

How long does the AD let this continue? Just awful.

Combined record, I think we're the worst.

And this AD stays for 1 reason: Butch Jones. As long as Jones keeps pulling the football program up, Hart is probably safe.

If football is good and the other sports suck, it probably doesn't hurt him much. But if football slides and the other sports suck, then it piles on.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Oh look, the guy that supposedly isn't obsessed with Tyndall getting all giddy over a comment about Tyndall.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Is there an SEC team out there with worse men's and women's teams than Tennessee? Yeah the women are 8-8 and have a winning record but Holly made a team full of All Americans from HS a 7th place SEC team. Pathetic job by her.

And the men's team has to be the worst shooting team in many years. No big men and a group of guys all playing out of position with VERY limited skills.

How long does the AD let this continue? Just awful.

I see great potential in Admiral and Shembari. Had our previous coach not gotten into trouble, we would have Chris Clarke, Rob Gray Jr., and Kimani Jackson to go along with them. For those who wish to make fun of Kimani, I can only say KJ > RK.

If anyone wishes to criticize me for continuing to bring up CDT, I suggest that you read my most previous post in this thread. I put it in all caps. If you don't understand this statement, then you are probably beyond help.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

oh look, the guy that supposedly isn't obsessed with tyndall getting all giddy over a comment about tyndall.

You are and always have been beyond help! However, I do agree with your synopsis about Hart.

 

[LittleCat]

He's a freshman playing out of position, and trying to press the issue in a hostile environment on the road in a lopsided game. He'll be fine in time. Kid should be playing off the ball and creating offensively. Tennessee was WAY over-matched in this game.

It comes with the territory. He's done well. There was just that stretch where UT cut it to 10 or whatever, and he struggled with the ball.

 

[BruinVol]

Take Josh Richardson away from Tyndall and his record is the same or worse than Barnes this year.

Conversely, give Rick Barnes Josh Richardson and we are on the bubble. IMO

Give Tyndall


Gray
Owens
Carmichael
McGee

And we are on the bubble this year


Add the kid I think he was going to take from florida and we are a solid seed and that isn't even counting the kid that would be here instead of va tech ifTyndall wasnt a cheat

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Give Tyndall


Gray
Owens
Carmichael
McGee

And we are on the bubble this year


Add the kid I think he was going to take from florida and we are a solid seed and that isn't even counting the kid that would be here instead of va tech ifTyndall wasnt a cheat

Yes, Tyndall cost us big time bc of his behavior at S. Miss. His kind of recruiting here was the type that we need if this program is going to be successful.

I wouldn't be disappointed if the guy at Tennessee State were looked at as a potential future UT coach.

 

[SlyStone]

Hubbs sat out again. SMDH.

Isn't he (Hubbs) nursing a sore knee?

 

[calban]

Best read I have seen here in a long time! Barnes will only be a successful recruiter here if he can find some Kevin Durant, D. J. Augustin, Cory Joseph, Tristan Thompson, etc. types. He got very few at Providence and Clemson and it seems as though that is going to be the way it is here.

There are other coaches besides Barnes that CAN get these types of players here and Will Wade, to wear out a oft used example, appears to be one who can do this. Donnie Tyndall was on the path to recruit players that would provide drive and competitiveness that would have made us proud. HOWEVER, TYNDALL HAD HIS OWN ISSUES TO DEAL WITH!

I don't know what has happened to Barnes and his staff recently, but the recruits he has brought in at Texas the past few years and here in his first 1 1/2 classes have not measured up, at least on paper. Give him the Spring period and see what he does for 2018. If aspects don't start looking up, then it's time to be concerned about finding someone who can do the job.

With the recent hypocrisies of the NCAA (Brown, Williams,Pitino,Syracuse) burning brighter with each day, I'm hoping Tyndall is able to sue the NCAA into nonexistence. Hart too.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

With the recent hypocrisies of the NCAA (Brown, Williams,Pitino,Syracuse) burning brighter with each day, I'm hoping Tyndall is able to sue the NCAA into nonexistence. Hart too.

Has the NCAA given Tyndall a punishment yet? What was that punishment, if so? If the answer to the first question is no, then why not? Does he deserve a punishment? If so, what should that punishment be?

 

[Tennessteve]

His kind of recruiting here was the type that we need if this program is going to be successful.

Imo Barnes is giving us one heck of a foundation. By at least year 3 (yeah, i know thats a long time) our program will be a solid tournament team. I think a lot of our guys we signed are underrated, as I'm sure a lot of others do too. I think each of them will develop very well, bringing adequate tournament skill with high bball IQ. I think we will be tough to beat, and I'm excited about the future of this program.

 

[calban]

Has the NCAA given Tyndall a punishment yet? What was that punishment, if so? If the answer to the first question is no, then why not? Does he deserve a punishment? If so, what should that punishment be?

How can they give him a stiffer punishment than Larry Brown? 9 game suspension and a post season ban.
He lied to the NCAA about far greater crimes than Pearl's BBQ.
His university extended him in response.
Our program was destroyed.
Is it the gutless response of a university's admin, that is the difference?

what's wrong with the picture?

 

[buzz4tennessee]

How can they give him a stiffer punishment than Larry Brown? 9 game suspension and a post season ban.
He lied to the NCAA about far greater crimes than Pearl's BBQ.
His university extended him in response.
Our program was destroyed.
Is it the gutless response of a university's admin, that is the difference?

what's wrong with the picture?

You make very good points, however, you must be careful when mentioning the name "Tyndall" bc there is a VerySillyFella that posts here that likes to cyber bully anyone who does this. Of course, most psychologists will define a bully as one who possesses a low self esteem. In other words...a wimp.

 

[calban]

You make very good points, however, you must be careful when mentioning the name "Tyndall" bc there is a VerySillyFella that posts here that likes to cyber bully anyone who does this. Of course, most psychologists will define a bully as one who possesses a low self esteem. In other words...a wimp.

That's more of a personality clash. It happens on MBs.

Hard to overlook the suggested double standard.

But my question is; Is it the NCAA or our lack of a supportive admin. that is the root of our destruction?

And it applies to all 3 of our prior coaches.
Brown f### up and gets an extension. Bruce gets canned. Martin feels unwanted by his admin and Hart reacts prematurely and grabs papaw.

 

[e-VOL-ution2013]

Give Tyndall


Gray
Owens
Carmichael
McGee

And we are on the bubble this year


Add the kid I think he was going to take from florida and we are a solid seed and that isn't even counting the kid that would be here instead of va tech ifTyndall wasnt a cheat

What good does being on the bubble do if you are dealing with probation and post season bans possibly?

Also, I am sorry but that isn't an impressive lineup either.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Both Barnes this year and Tyndall last year have had their success or not attached at the hip with three pointers. Tyndall routinely lost when the opponents were hitting their threes. Barnes routinely loses when TN's offense shoots the three poorly. Success for either has pretty much been coin flips.

Well that's going to happen when you don't have any inside presence and no true point guard. It'll be nice to finally have a true point guard next year for the first time in what feels like a decade. Hopefully, Alexander puts on some weight too.