The Official Tennessee Titans Thread III

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NeverWe'llSever said:
Lol expected this reaction. Here's my rationale. Corey Davis is a solid pick. He'll be a good WR for the Titans. Don't know if he's necessarily an elite talent, but he's good. The problem with the pick is that Jamal Adams was right there to take and you didn't. But all in all, it's a B+ pick.

Then there's the Adoree Jackson pick....lol. Here's the problem. He's a good special teams player, so let's just assume he'll do well in the NFL as a special teams player.

But...by taking him as your top corner with the corners you had available with the 5th and 18th pick, you're telling me he's a better corner than: Marshon Lattimore, Marlon Humphrey, Gareon Conley and Tre'Davious White, off the top of my head. Huge reach. Awful pick imo. Special teams may be different, but why take a ST player in round 1? Lol.

Ask yourself this question: How much happier would I be, as a Titans fan, if we took Jamal Adams at 5 and Tre'Davious White/Gareon Conley at 18? That would have been a KILLER draft. So, imo, the Titans could've done much better and had a bad *first round overall.
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Corey Davis is the best WR in this draft. We needed a WR very badly. Great pick.

Adoree Jackson is a project, but he's an unbelievable athlete and his problems are coachable. He played in all three phases of the game in college hindering his progression at corner. He now gets to learn from LeBeau, who is fantastic at identifying and developing talent. In addition, Mariani will not be returning kicks anymore and that's a win in itself.

I don't care about who was there. Both picks fill a need with immensely talented players.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Corey Davis is the best WR in this draft. We needed a WR very badly. Great pick.

Adoree Jackson is a project, but he's an unbelievable athlete and his problems are coachable. He played in all three phases of the game in college hindering his progression at corner. He now gets to learn from LeBeau, who is fantastic at identifying and developing talent. In addition, Mariani will not be returning kicks anymore and that's a win in itself.

I don't care about who was there. Both picks fill a need with immensely talented players.
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Why take a project instead of a guy who's proficient? And why not draft a guy in the 3rd/4th/5th round to return kicks? This is my point...

But hey, I agree with you on Davis. He's solid. But you could've had Jamal Adams.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Why take a project instead of a guy who's proficient? And why not draft a guy in the 3rd/4th/5th round to return kicks? This is my point...

But hey, I agree with you on Davis. He's solid. But you could've had Jamal Adams.
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that's going to be the haunt if adams turns in to what people think he will.

but, if you as the titans were dead set on a WR, and Davis was #1 on their board, you take him.

cause WR being a point of emphasis, now looking at it, by the time you get to that 2nd pick in the 1st round, all 3 of the big name WR's were gone before you got to it.

so, you make a decision...do we take Adams here, and hope Davis, Williams or Ross are still there at 18?

the only argument you could make really, is whether AJ is more of an impact player than say a Tre White from LSU, who was available at 18 too. probably more polished at the CB spot, maybe not as versatile as AJ...eye of the beholder there.

past that, taking the WR at 5, i get it, and it worked out from a positional need standpoint, and you maybe got the best one in the draft.

solid draft by the titans. they got mariota some help, and addressed a need on defense.

it's a bit of a departure from the "best player available" mentality many teams try to take on, but you are where you are and do what you think is best.

now, in the interest of best player available, if you really want to drive yourself nuts....

i'd say, you should have picked Adams at 5, and Ojoku or Howard at 18.....:p that would have been a home run.:thumbsup: you got a double. still good.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Why take a project instead of a guy who's proficient? And why not draft a guy in the 3rd/4th/5th round to return kicks? This is my point...

But hey, I agree with you on Davis. He's solid. But you could've had Jamal Adams.
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Safety was farther down in need than WR and CB. It's likely that no top WR would have been there at 18 like originally thought. Because we have faith in our coaches to coach Jackson to be as good as the other DBs while also getting the most versatile and athletic player in the draft.
 
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Adoree Jackson a project?

We aren't talking about a guy out of DIII or the FCS.

Jackson was a consensus 5-star prospect from Rivals & 247Sports was rated the #1 Athlete by Rivals and #6 Overall player in the country out of High School.

Pac-12 Freshman of the Year
Freshman All-American by Football Writers Association of America
Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year

Named the 2016 Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back.

135 Career Tackles, 5 Int., 2 FF and 15 Career Touchdowns.

Most NFL teams had him as the Top 3-4 Corners in the draft and a consensus 1st round selection. All of the above in three years of college.

Project? I don't think so!
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Adoree Jackson a project?

We aren't talking about a guy out of DIII or the FCS.

Jackson was a consensus 5-star prospect from Rivals & 247Sports was rated the #1 Athlete by Rivals and #6 Overall player in the country out of High School.

Pac-12 Freshman of the Year
Freshman All-American by Football Writers Association of America
Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year

Named the 2016 Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back.

135 Career Tackles, 5 Int., 2 FF and 15 Career Touchdowns.

Most NFL teams had him as the Top 3-4 Corners in the draft and a consensus 1st round selection. All of the above in three years of college.

Project? I don't think so!
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i don't think anyone means it in a sense that he's a ball of silly puddy and needs to be fully molded.

but he has played multiple positions, is multiple sport athlete, olympic stud....

point being, he's not yet focused all his attention on a particular sport, or position.

he'll have that opportunity now.

no one questions the ability or talent. he's got that, in spades.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Adoree Jackson a project?

We aren't talking about a guy out of DIII or the FCS.

Jackson was a consensus 5-star prospect from Rivals & 247Sports was rated the #1 Athlete by Rivals and #6 Overall player in the country out of High School.

Pac-12 Freshman of the Year
Freshman All-American by Football Writers Association of America
Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year

Named the 2016 Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back.

135 Career Tackles, 5 Int., 2 FF and 15 Career Touchdowns.

Most NFL teams had him as the Top 3-4 Corners in the draft and a consensus 1st round selection. All of the above in three years of college.

Project? I don't think so!
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Just watch his highlights vs John Ross of Washington and then get back to me. There's plenty of other examples out there, too, but here's one example. And if John Ross can clown Adoree, what do you think T.Y. Hilton, Amari Cooper and Antonio Brown will do to him?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SNXNjuoPY
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Adoree Jackson a project?

We aren't talking about a guy out of DIII or the FCS.

Jackson was a consensus 5-star prospect from Rivals & 247Sports was rated the #1 Athlete by Rivals and #6 Overall player in the country out of High School.

Pac-12 Freshman of the Year
Freshman All-American by Football Writers Association of America
Pac-12 Defensive Freshman of the Year

Named the 2016 Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back.

135 Career Tackles, 5 Int., 2 FF and 15 Career Touchdowns.

Most NFL teams had him as the Top 3-4 Corners in the draft and a consensus 1st round selection. All of the above in three years of college.

Project? I don't think so!
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This was my initial reaction as well, although going back and looking through his scouting reports, several analysts did in fact have him listed as "raw" in their analyses of him. Head scratcher to me. You don't see that word used often for players with Jackson's experience and accolades at a given position, especially at a power 5 school, nor did I get an impression of "raw" while watching him last year. I've read where some people say he needs to work on his over all technique, which may be where it stems from.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that's going to be the haunt if adams turns in to what people think he will.

but, if you as the titans were dead set on a WR, and Davis was #1 on their board, you take him.

cause WR being a point of emphasis, now looking at it, by the time you get to that 2nd pick in the 1st round, all 3 of the big name WR's were gone before you got to it.

so, you make a decision...do we take Adams here, and hope Davis, Williams or Ross are still there at 18?

the only argument you could make really, is whether AJ is more of an impact player than say a Tre White from LSU, who was available at 18 too. probably more polished at the CB spot, maybe not as versatile as AJ...eye of the beholder there.

past that, taking the WR at 5, i get it, and it worked out from a positional need standpoint, and you maybe got the best one in the draft.

solid draft by the titans. they got mariota some help, and addressed a need on defense.

it's a bit of a departure from the "best player available" mentality many teams try to take on, but you are where you are and do what you think is best.

now, in the interest of best player available, if you really want to drive yourself nuts....

i'd say, you should have picked Adams at 5, and Ojoku or Howard at 18.....:p that would have been a home run.:thumbsup: you got a double. still good.
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Oh yeah, definitely. I was just focusing specifically on the better corners out there, but OJ Howard would've probably been the best possible pick for the Titans at 18. I mean my god. If the Titans took Adams and Howard, we're talking division title next year and AFC championship contenders in a few seasons if not next year.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SNXNjuoPY

Just watch his highlights vs John Ross of Washington and then get back to me. There's plenty of other examples out there, too, but here's one example. And if John Ross can clown Adoree, what do you think T.Y. Hilton, Amari Cooper and Antonio Brown will do to him?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SNXNjuoPY
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That video looks like more of a testament to Ross than an indictment of Jackson. He got burned pretty bad once, but that honestly looked more like a miscommunication on defense. Aside from that, a lot of soft coverage underneath stuff given up, after which the tackle was usually made. Jackson also with the really nice pass breakup around 1:50.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SNXNjuoPY

Just watch his highlights vs John Ross of Washington and then get back to me. There's plenty of other examples out there, too, but here's one example. And if John Ross can clown Adoree, what do you think T.Y. Hilton, Amari Cooper and Antonio Brown will do to him?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SNXNjuoPY
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Find me a corner that never gets beat. His problem on the play Ross dusted him is coachable. He also got two picks that game and USC won.
 
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orangepridenation said:
That video looks like more of a testament to Ross than an indictment of Jackson. He got burned pretty bad once, but that honestly looked more like a miscommunication on defense. Aside from that, a lot of soft coverage underneath stuff given up, after which the tackle was usually made. Jackson also with the really nice pass breakup around 1:50.
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He got flat out punked, man. Ross had over 150 yards receiving not to mention all the broken tackles on Adoree.
 
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orangepridenation said:
This was my initial reaction as well, although going back and looking through his scouting reports, several analysts did in fact have him listed as "raw" in their analyses of him. Head scratcher to me. You don't see that word used often for players with Jackson's experience and accolades at a given position, especially at a power 5 school, nor did I get an impression of "raw" while watching him last year. I've read where some people say he needs to work on his over all technique, which may be where it stems from.
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It is technique. He commits his hips too early and is super susceptible to fakes which is why Ross and Fuller have dusted him in the past. His route recognition needs improvement. It also didn't help his progression taking into account that he was playing offense, defense, while also running track for USC.

However, he has superior ball skills and athleticism and the Titans clearly see all of his issues as fixable. What you can't fix are the ball skills and athleticism, which he has in spades.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
In his case, he gets beat A LOT. That's the problem. You think this was his only bad game? I've got more if you want.
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I've watched almost every game.

You're pushing an agenda here. You going to neglect the two picks he had this game as well? The last one put the game away.
 
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I was thrilled with the Davis pick when it was announced and it hindsight I love the pick even more. JR went out and got the #1 WR and his guy. Picking Jackson shows that JR valued big play potential over steady play; we don't need another McCourty. Now that Adoree doesn't have track and school to eat up his offseason time, he can focus on technique and footwork. He should be fine, but I expect JR to get another CB in round 3 or 4.
 
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LotteryPick said:
I've watched almost every game.

You're pushing an agenda here. You going to neglect the two picks he had this game as well? The last one put the game away.
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I'm not. He's a playmaker, man. And if you've watched almost every game, you know he gets burned a lot. The problem is, he's a huge reach as a corner. Doesn't have good technique. You know it and I know it.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Yes. Check the stats. Ross had 154 receiving yards, 1 TD. And on that TD that you saw at 1:54 in the video, holy crap did he get smoked.
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Meh. He had his bad moments, but I saw quite a bit of him live last season and came away impressed each time. He will help the Titans in multiple ways.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Oh yeah, definitely. I was just focusing specifically on the better corners out there, but OJ Howard would've probably been the best possible pick for the Titans at 18. I mean my god. If the Titans took Adams and Howard, we're talking division title next year and AFC championship contenders in a few seasons if not next year.
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We (and others) are already talking about that. That is not the reaction people would be having if we skipped our two most pressing needs in the 1st round to take two positions of lesser need, I dont care what you think. You are acting like he cant get better and honestly, its kind of coming across as you being uninformed, not anything the Titans did wrong. Jmo.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
I'm not. He's a playmaker, man. The problem is, he's a huge reach as a corner. You know it and I know it.
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I don't think it's a reach. He's never been able to focus full time on corner. He can now.

Wouldn't you agree that he'll develop now more than ever? Especially with Lebeau's coaching. It isn't a reach; Adoree is a good fit.

There's risk there, of course. But the Titans clearly love the guy and I trust Robinson.
 
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