The Official NFL Lockout Thread

#53
#53
Co. Aytch said:
So, no matter what the draft is going to happen as usual?
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Yes, that is the last scheduled event the CBA allows. Teams will still be able to trade on draft day, but it will only be for picks. Also the teams can't sign the players until a new deal is reached.
 
#55
#55
looks like the owners - after how this last trial went with Doty (the tv contract one...worry he sides with the players) - are going to try to appeal so that it won't go to his court


along lines that they're still a union and only did this to get around a trades act or something



good point brought up: any actual resolutions are, likely, not to come until they reach a point where both sides are losing money (aug, sept., oct., nov....expect it to happen to the players first)
 
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drew brees: Drew Brees (drewbrees) on Twitter

Not once have the players asked for more money during this negotiation. That is a FACT. I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for us

Past players sacrificed a great deal to give us what we have now in the NFL, and we will not lay down for a second to give that up

We have a responsibility and at some point you just have to stand up for what is right
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#58
#58
I am disappointed in the players because I thought they were the ones that were going to make a deal happen. They don't have much of a bargaining chip. They were never going to see those financials. They are out of their minds.
 
#59
#59
ok, so according to vonnie holliday, the decertification and sueing can be used to help still have a season next year...if i'm understanding that all correctly



also, apparently one of the owners main claims was also that they wanted more because....either they wouldn't say why or they claimed they were losing money
 
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nbakerld said:
I am disappointed in the players because I thought they were the ones that were going to make a deal happen. They don't have much of a bargaining chip. They were never going to see those financials. They are out of their minds.
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How do they not have a bargaining chip? They are the product fans pay to see. Without them, there would be no potential profit for the owners.

The players are the ones that make huge long-term health sacrifices for careers that last around 3 years depending on position.

The owners are just upset because they aren't making as much as they want to make.

You don't just make a deal to make a deal
 
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Vols520 said:
How do they not have a bargaining chip? They are the product fans pay to see. Without them, there would be no potential profit for the owners.

The players are the ones that make huge long-term health sacrifices for careers that last around 3 years depending on position.

The owners are just upset because they aren't making as much as they want to make.

You don't just make a deal to make a deal
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The owners can walk away and still be billionaires. A lot of these players need money now. That's why they don't have a bargaining chip (at this point and time). The owners will start losing their bargaining power in the late fall because they are most profitable later in the season (which is why they are willing to lockout the early part of the season).
 
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Here is a summary of the proposal the owners made today;

1. We more than split the economic difference between us, increasing our proposed cap for 2011 significantly and accepting the Union’s proposed cap number for 2014 ($161 million per club).

2. An entry level compensation system based on the Union’s “rookie cap” proposal, rather than the wage scale proposed by the clubs. Under the NFL proposal, players drafted in rounds 2-7 would be paid the same or more than they are paid today. Savings from the first round would be reallocated to veteran players and benefits.

3. A guarantee of up to $1 million of a player’s salary for the contract year after his injury – the first time that the clubs have offered a standard multi-year injury guarantee.

4. Immediate implementation of changes to promote player health and safety by:

* Reducing the off-season program by five weeks, reducing OTAs from 14 to 10, and limiting on-field practice time and contact;
* Limiting full-contact practices in the preseason and regular season; and
* Increasing number of days off for players.

5. Commit that any change to an 18-game season will be made only by agreement and that the 2011 and 2012 seasons will be played under the current 16-game format.

6. Owner funding of $82 million in 2011-12 to support additional benefits to former players, which would increase retirement benefits for more than 2000 former players by nearly 60 percent.

7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.

8. Third party arbitration for appeals in the drug and steroid programs.

9. Improvements in the Mackey plan, disability plan, and degree completion bonus program.

10. A per-club cash minimum spend of 90 percent of the salary cap over three seasons.
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NFLLabor.com EXCLUSIVE: Summary of NFL proposal to NFLPA
 
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nbakerld said:
The owners can walk away and still be billionaires. A lot of these players need money now. That's why they don't have a bargaining chip (at this point and time). The owners will start losing their bargaining power in the late fall because they are most profitable later in the season (which is why they are willing to lockout the early part of the season).
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I see your point, but disagree. These players have a small window to make money.

They can't afford to get railroaded into a bad deal.
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Vols520 said:
I see your point, but disagree. These players have a small window to make money.

They can't afford to get railroaded into a bad deal.
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I think nbaker meant the players run the risk of being starved into a bad deal like the nhlpa was.
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#66
#66
ESPN states that the NFL is going to annouce a lockout tonight. Hmmm? Not good for the game. I'm not a fan of indoor football either. Sure will miss going my favorite team (Indy)and favorite player (Peyton Manning) play in 2011.
 
#67
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nbakerld said:
I am disappointed in the players because I thought they were the ones that were going to make a deal happen. They don't have much of a bargaining chip. They were never going to see those financials. They are out of their minds.
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They do, and they just played it. Their de-certification is going to force the owners to have the 2011 season, or get the pants sued off of them.

The NFLPA may have done itself in for the long-term, but they absolutely put the screws to the owners.

And the owners not wanting to open their books only says one thing to me: They have a lot more money than they're willing to tell the NFLPA about.

The judge's ruling in the NFLPA's favor a week ago was really a turning point in this whole deal. The courts are going to make everybody play fair.
 
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TrueOrange said:
on a side note, I really like DeMaurice Smith's hat

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Nice. It says he's treating the owners like the money-grabbing ho's they are.
 
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milohimself said:
They do, and they just played it. Their de-certification is going to force the owners to have the 2011 season, or get the pants sued off of them.

The NFLPA may have done itself in for the long-term, but they absolutely put the screws to the owners.

And the owners not wanting to open their books only says one thing to me: They have a lot more money than they're willing to tell the NFLPA about.

The judge's ruling in the NFLPA's favor a week ago was really a turning point in this whole deal. The courts are going to make everybody play fair.
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Yup. That ruling took away the leverage the owners had.

It's going to be interesting to watch because you are going to have about half the owners and half the players really start to sweat this about the time August rolls around.
 
#73
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Without the salary cap and other CBA aspects, they don't need to. MLB players have it made in the shade compared to NFL players.
 
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Vols520 said:
I see your point, but disagree. These players have a small window to make money.

They can't afford to get railroaded into a bad deal.
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Railroaded into a bad deal?

Yeah man... having the God given talent to make millions of dollars is freaking awful.

It must suck having the choice to throw away a free education that you didn't deserve in the first place.

They may have a small window to make millions of dollars a year, but most people will never make a million dollars in a year. Why are you sympathizing with these uneducated retards?

Let's say the average player makes 20 million a decade. That's a salary of $200,000 a year for 100 years. Oh, the humanity!

Because a couple of them get hurt, all of them deserve more money? How about they buy some freaking insurance. Pretty sure Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy were able to take out a 1 or 2 million dollar insurance policy. Their parents probably make nowhere near the money an NFL player does. Why can't an NFL player afford insurance?

I'm glad the owners aren't budging. Sure, they are greedy too. At least they are educated and made their money doing a real job. These players act like they became billionaires become of them. They don't need these players. These players definitely need them though. Let them form their own league if they think they are special. Then who is going to pay their salary?

Let em' go to the UFL or Arena Football. Then they can make 200 bucks a game.
 
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