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Nerd-Vol said:
I have my doubts that NAPA would, but perhaps MWR should have considered the consequences of fixing a race by sending a driver out to crash.
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I agree. Michael is a bonehead. I've never cared much for him. Truex is a good dude though. So is Vickers
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
I have my doubts that NAPA would, but perhaps MWR should have considered the consequences of fixing a race by sending a driver out to crash.
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Who did he send out to crash? When did he crash? Where did he send him to crash from?
 
#1,681
#1,681
I don't think we'll have to worry about this but NASCAR will look stupid if the #15 goes out and wins the championship.
 
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#1,682
Retroactively changing race and or championship results is stupid. You can't change history. We all know what happened, right or wrong. Newman had 25 other races to get himself in the Chase.

Fine the team, suspend management, and dock points; I don't care. But you can't go back and tamper with results.
 
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doozer said:
Who did he send out to crash? When did he crash? Where did he send him to crash from?
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Clint bowyer, the driver or the #15 MWR was instructed to spin his car in order to draw a caution. Now a spin is when a driver loses control of their car and the rear end of the car swaps places with the front of the car, or the car does a pirouette. This all took place at Saturday's NASCAR race in Richmond Virginia. The event was televised, and you can likely find a replay of the incident in question on the Internet. I recommend a google search, or you can try askjeeves, if that's still a thing.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I actually kinda liked Bowyer up until that point
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Me too.... I still like him, just not at the moment. I lost a little respect for him. Can't say 100% for sure that I wouldn't do the same to help my teammate. Its easy for us to stand on the other side of the fence and throw stones at him.
 
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jhen713 said:
Me too.... I still like him, just not at the moment. I lost a little respect for him. Can't say 100% for sure that I wouldn't do the same to help my teammate. Its easy and fun for us to stand on the other side of the fence and throw stones at him.
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Fyp
 
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jhen713 said:
True, who doesn't love a little controversy?
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NASCAR has to be loving all of the press before the chase. Unfortunantly all of great hype will be killed, when Jimmie and chad come out whip their junk out, and proceed to crush the competition in the chase. Or they do terribly in the chase. I dunno.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I'm surprised NASCAR did as much as they have. WAY more than I expected
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I have to question if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the #48 trying to get the #24 into the Chase would NASCAR have done anything? :ph34r:

What if it was Chad Knaus and not Brian Pattie?

I think it was Keselowski who said something to the effect earlier this year when it seemed every week the the #2 was having trouble passing inspections. "I don't remember the #48 ever being scrutinized this much in inspection line..." or something like that I think he was then fined. :ermm:
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Clint bowyer, the driver or the #15 MWR was instructed to spin his car in order to draw a caution. Now a spin is when a driver loses control of their car and the rear end of the car swaps places with the front of the car, or the car does a pirouette. This all took place at Saturday's NASCAR race in Richmond Virginia. The event was televised, and you can likely find a replay of the incident in question on the Internet. I recommend a google search, or you can try askjeeves, if that's still a thing.
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Oh, a spin isn't a crash.

You can look up the definition of each on askjeeves, if that's still a thing.
 
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#1,695
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doozer said:
Retroactively changing race and or championship results is stupid. You can't change history. We all know what happened, right or wrong. Newman had 25 other races to get himself in the Chase.

Fine the team, suspend management, and dock points; I don't care. But you can't go back and tamper with results.
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But you're fine with race teams actively tampering with results during the course of the race? In some ways I agree with you that going back and simply kicking someone out of the Chase seems a little off, but on the other hand, the ONLY reason Truex got in was because of blatant cheating on the part of his teammate. It just seems that if they set the precedent of fines and docking points only, people will still cheat if the opportunity presents itself and then roll the dice that they can overcome the penalties because they are at least a part of the Chase. Drawing a line in the sand and simply saying "If you cheat your way into the Chase, you're not going to be a part of it" may be the better deterrent in the long run.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
But you're fine with race teams actively tampering with results during the course of the race? In some ways I agree with you that going back and simply kicking someone out of the Chase seems a little off, but on the other hand, the ONLY reason Truex got in was because of blatant cheating on the part of his teammate. It just seems that if they set the precedent of fines and docking points only, people will still cheat if the opportunity presents itself and then roll the dice that they can overcome the penalties because they are at least a part of the Chase. Drawing a line in the sand and simply saying "If you cheat your way into the Chase, you're not going to be a part of it" may be the better deterrent in the long run.
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I said there should be fines, suspensions and docking of points for this sort of thing.

Again, Newman had 25 other chances to get himself in position.
 
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doozer said:
I said there should be fines, suspensions and docking of points for this sort of thing.

Again, Newman had 25 other chances to get himself in position.
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But is that really going to deter people from future cheating, or are they just going to happily eat the fine and the points penalty in exchange for making the Chase?

You're right that Newman had 25 previous chances to get himself eligible, but the reality is that all drivers actually get 26 chances. How does the fact that Newman did what he needed to get eligible in the 26th race make him any less deserving? He would have actually won the race if not for the first instance MWR cheating, and when even that proved ineffective to get one of their cars into the Chase, MWR parked one of their other cars to ensure Newman lost his spot.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
But is that really going to deter people from future cheating, or are they just going to happily eat the fine and the points penalty in exchange for making the Chase?

You're right that Newman had 25 previous chances to get himself eligible, but the reality is that all drivers actually get 26 chances. How does the fact that Newman did what he needed to get eligible in the 26th race make him any less deserving? He would have actually won the race if not for the first instance MWR cheating, and when even that proved ineffective to get one of their cars into the Chase, MWR parked one of their other cars to ensure Newman lost his spot.
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First of all, the Vickers incident is what did them in, not the Bowyer spin.

Second, I was a bit incorrect as the 50 points Truex was docked actually moved him out of the Chase and therefore put Newman in, based on points. Truex fell below Newman's total for the WC. It wasn't just a swap like I thought originally.

Third, how much would like to wager that, based on the penalties, nobody tries this again? You take the side somebody will and I'll take the side they don't. Name your price and get your check book out.
 
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