The "official" Lost thread

#101
#101
Looking forward to it. Do we know for sure who the Oceanic 6 are? I've got Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayeed . . . . who else? Charlie (the baby)? Would he count as one of the six?
 
#102
#102
Volnissniss said:
Looking forward to it. Do we know for sure who the Oceanic 6 are? I've got Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayeed . . . . who else? Charlie (the baby)? Would he count as one of the six?
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Don't really know if you Charlie is alive or was a vision in Hurley's mind. Don't know if the Aaron will count either since he wasn't born when the plane crashed and didn't need a ticket.
 
#103
#103
Woops, called the baby Charlie - meant Aaron. Yeah, what about Charlie? I would generally assume he's dead, but this is Lost after all. Surely he's not one of the 6, though. Who knows.
 
#105
#105
i dont think sawyer goes back. he pretty much voiced how he felt about that last week when he said he has nothing to go back to.
 
#106
#106
What about Sun and Jin? Some said earlier on this thread that they were 2 of the 6. Is that confirmed or was that a guess?
 
#110
#110
Awesome episode. I'm begining to think that everyone has a "Constant". Very confusing, yet wonderful episode if you really think about it.
 
#111
#111
We learned a LOT tonight about what might be happening on Lost. Just some quick thoughts:

- The whole idea tonight was that the scientist guy has figured out a way for people to travel in time by separating their conccious mind from their body. That could explain some things about the guy who talks to ghosts - the consiousness is (or can be separated) from the body, thus would survive death. That could explain the appearance of Charlie to Hurley after he apparently died.

- The thing about the "Constant": imagine if you traveled into the future and found yourself in a place you didn't recognize at all (people, location, etc.). You would likely lose your mind. The only way to prevent that would be to have something from your past that was also present in the future - the Constant. Pretty obvious, but I had to think about that one.

- Penny: I thought she said that she talked to Charlie THREE years ago, which doesn't make sense in the timeline of the show, I don't think. Didn't Charlie just talk to her when they went into the underwater station just a few episodes ago? The time travel thing comes into play again here. And she'd been trying to find Desomond ever since, i.e., for 3 years. I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing that Penny is the one who will rescue the Oceanic 6 - she's got another boat out there somewhere. The boat there on is "not Penny's boat" but I'm guessing she's got one out there looking for Desmond, who told her he was on an island.

- Based on the separation of consiousness thing, I'm guessing that we'll see something about "Remote Viewing" coming up. Anybody ever read about remote viewing? Fascinating reading. I'm thinking that Ben may be a remote viewer or something to that effect.

- I think that polar bear has something to do with time travel too. Remember when the redheaded scientist lady (the newcomer) was excavating that polar bear? Somehow, that is the same bear that ended up on the island.

Just some random thoughts . . . .
 
#112
#112
Volniss, Penny was searching for Desmond for 3 years IRRC. By the way, I don't see it as a separation of consciousness. Think of DARMA's research as the creation of a time bubble. When you enter this time bubble, a "copy" of you is created. Originally, I thought by pressing the button, they were suppressing the [real-world] time, so that would mean in real-world time, they [on the island] are probably a dozen or so years in the past. OK, so if all that is true, when you enter the real-world, you probably go into the real-world consciousness. Without the "constant", you stay locked in real-world consciousness and eventually die due to the consciousness jumps, just like the guy on the ship. Can anyone make any sense of that?

In my opinion, the Polar Bear thing is more symbolic than anything. By pressing the button they were, literally, "saving the world". I have a feeling that if they kept pressing that button, every inhabitant on the island would have stayed in the time lapse, permanently, thus avoiding - get this - the inevitable extinction. The hatch blowing up is apart of this "course correction" they talked about earlier in the show. The course correction allows [the seeming inevitable] extinction to happen. So, I think this Polar bear, in one way or another, symbolizes extinction.

I think Ben knows about the power of this island. I also think the reason Christian Sheppard wasn't in his coffin, on the island, is because his "copy" is alive - but still dead [think of the entity in the cabin, I forget the name]- so he represents a different form of 'aliveness' than the other "copies" [Sayid, Kat, Ben, etc]. Claire's baby could be "constant" [who will live in the real-world time (at a different period)]. I know that's all vague, maybe someone else understands. I'm not really sure if the constant has to be real-world either. Can anyone grasp what I'm getting at?
 
#115
#115
Again, that's all just speculation, but it makes a little sense. It would explain why Sayid hasn't ever seen technology like with the satellite phone. Also Walt must've come back to the island somehow, I don't know how... maybe he and his father were caught and they just took Walk and stranded Michael with the boat. One detail I forgot about was Juliet's sister. We saw video of Juliet's sister playing with her kid, so maybe Ben had that video planned in advance, because he knew Juliet would ask to leave or talk to her sister... I think Ben could pull that off.
 
#116
#116
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Volniss, Penny was searching for Desmond for 3 years IRRC. By the way, I don't see it as a separation of consciousness. Think of DARMA's research as the creation of a time bubble. When you enter this time bubble, a "copy" of you is created. Originally, I thought by pressing the button, they were suppressing the [real-world] time, so that would mean in real-world time, they [on the island] are probably a dozen or so years in the past. OK, so if all that is true, when you enter the real-world, you probably go into the real-world consciousness. Without the "constant", you stay locked in real-world consciousness and eventually die due to the consciousness jumps, just like the guy on the ship. Can anyone make any sense of that?

In my opinion, the Polar Bear thing is more symbolic than anything. By pressing the button they were, literally, "saving the world". I have a feeling that if they kept pressing that button, every inhabitant on the island would have stayed in the time lapse, permanently, thus avoiding - get this - the inevitable extinction. The hatch blowing up is apart of this "course correction" they talked about earlier in the show. The course correction allows [the seeming inevitable] extinction to happen. So, I think this Polar bear, in one way or another, symbolizes extinction.

I think Ben knows about the power of this island. I also think the reason Christian Sheppard wasn't in his coffin, on the island, is because his "copy" is alive - but still dead [think of the entity in the cabin, I forget the name]- so he represents a different form of 'aliveness' than the other "copies" [Sayid, Kat, Ben, etc]. Claire's baby could be "constant" [who will live in the real-world time (at a different period)]. I know that's all vague, maybe someone else understands. I'm not really sure if the constant has to be real-world either. Can anyone grasp what I'm getting at?
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How would the situation with the babies and their mothers dying come into play here?
 
#117
#117
OK let me try and explain. They are in this time bubble because of the button that "saves the world". By hitting this button every 108 minutes, it created this time bubble by putting time on the island in neutral. When the station was destroyed, time was shifted into drive. So if DARMA began all of this is 1980 or something, that means when a child is conceived on the island it is really conceived in the year 1980. It's all part of the "course correction". Are you beginning to understand?
 
#118
#118
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Volniss, Penny was searching for Desmond for 3 years IRRC. By the way, I don't see it as a separation of consciousness. Think of DARMA's research as the creation of a time bubble. When you enter this time bubble, a "copy" of you is created. Originally, I thought by pressing the button, they were suppressing the [real-world] time, so that would mean in real-world time, they [on the island] are probably a dozen or so years in the past. OK, so if all that is true, when you enter the real-world, you probably go into the real-world consciousness. Without the "constant", you stay locked in real-world consciousness and eventually die due to the consciousness jumps, just like the guy on the ship. Can anyone make any sense of that?

In my opinion, the Polar Bear thing is more symbolic than anything. By pressing the button they were, literally, "saving the world". I have a feeling that if they kept pressing that button, every inhabitant on the island would have stayed in the time lapse, permanently, thus avoiding - get this - the inevitable extinction. The hatch blowing up is apart of this "course correction" they talked about earlier in the show. The course correction allows [the seeming inevitable] extinction to happen. So, I think this Polar bear, in one way or another, symbolizes extinction.

I think Ben knows about the power of this island. I also think the reason Christian Sheppard wasn't in his coffin, on the island, is because his "copy" is alive - but still dead [think of the entity in the cabin, I forget the name]- so he represents a different form of 'aliveness' than the other "copies" [Sayid, Kat, Ben, etc]. Claire's baby could be "constant" [who will live in the real-world time (at a different period)]. I know that's all vague, maybe someone else understands. I'm not really sure if the constant has to be real-world either. Can anyone grasp what I'm getting at?
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What does IRRC mean? When exactly did Charlie talk to Penny 3 years in the past? I very easily could have forgotten something, but didn't they only talk on the phone when Charlie was in that underwater station where he drowned? That wasn't 3 years ago in the show's timeline.

As for the "time buble" concept, are you saying time moves more slowly inside the bubble than it does outside the bubble? So what seems like a week in the bubble could be months/years/etc. on the outside? That would mean that, when the O6 return, they've really been gone for years instead of weeks/months? I'm sorry, I'm just not following this. When the plane crashed and Jack, Kate, etc., entered the bubble, you're saying a copy was made. Is the copy the person living on the island? Or does the copy exist somewhere else, outside the bubble? I don't get it.
 
#119
#119
Volunteer_Kirby said:
OK let me try and explain. They are in this time bubble because of the button that "saves the world". By hitting this button every 108 minutes, it created this time bubble by putting time on the island in neutral. When the station was destroyed, time was shifted into drive. So if DARMA began all of this is 1980 or something, that means when a child is conceived on the island it is really conceived in the year 1980. It's all part of the "course correction". Are you beginning to understand?
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What you are describing is essentially a means of traveling backwards in time that has been discussed much since the days of Einstein. If someone travels at the speed of light, they essentially do not age, whereas everyone else would age. That's essentially what you're describing happens on the island. Those on the island don't age because time is suspended there. If that's what you're saying, I fail to understand how that could save the world. In reality, time is marching on, it's just suspended for those on the island.
 
#120
#120
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Since the copy exists in a presumably earlier time, it would explain why Rose and Locke were healed.
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If I'm understanding you correctly, Rose's and Locke's "copy" was created when they entered the bubble. That occurred when the plane crashed, I assume. At the time the plane crashed, Locke could not walk, so how could the copy of him created at that time walk?
 
#121
#121
Just watched the DVR'd episode, and WHOA. Insert the truth to what many of us believed regarding some sort of "time variability." I wasn't convinced that there was any Supernatural thing going on, but this scientific notion is interesting.

I think Kirby might be on to something. Somehow, I betcha that the O6 (and maybe others) will be interconnected via "constants." Is it possible that Jack's constant is in the casket? Just a thought.

Oh, and on the Penny thing: it's obvious that real world time and island time are not equivalent. Maybe the "3 years" referenced corresponds to days in the "bubble."

Anyway. Finally got what I've been waiting for.
 
#122
#122
kiddiedoc said:
Just watched the DVR'd episode, and WHOA. Insert the truth to what many of us believed regarding some sort of "time variability." I wasn't convinced that there was any Supernatural thing going on, but this scientific notion is interesting.

I think Kirby might be on to something. Somehow, I betcha that the O6 (and maybe others) will be interconnected via "constants." Is it possible that Jack's constant is in the casket? Just a thought.

Oh, and on the Penny thing: it's obvious that real world time and island time are not equivalent. Maybe the "3 years" referenced corresponds to days in the "bubble."

Anyway. Finally got what I've been waiting for.
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I think you might have something there.
 
#123
#123
^ About the casket thing, I either read or heard somewhere that the casket seemed to be on the small side. Does that indicate that it's Charlie's? He's a pretty small guy - he was a Hobbit, after all. Would make sense considering the Hurley connection.
 
#124
#124
Volnissniss said:
^ About the casket thing, I either read or heard somewhere that the casket seemed to be on the small side. Does that indicate that it's Charlie's? He's a pretty small guy - he was a Hobbit, after all. Would make sense considering the Hurley connection.
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it's definitely not charlie. i doubt that they would go out and retrieve charlie's body seeing as he drowned a good ways off shore. plus, people would attend charlie's funeral.
 
#125
#125
kiddiedoc said:
Is it possible that Jack's constant is in the casket?
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I'm not thinking he needs a constant. If I remember correctly, Ferguson asked if Desmond had been near any sources of great electro-magnetism or radiation because that could cause "side effects". Obviously Desmond has(when the hatch blew), but he's about the only one. None of the other survivors have that we know of.

At the end when Faraday is looking at the journal and it says that Desmond is his constant, remember Ferguson had been working with radiation for quite a while.(When Desmond meets him in the past)

Right now, I don't think this is something every survivor should be concerned about.
 
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