The Official Indianapolis Colts Thread

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#2,851
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Just the fact that pretty much everyone agrees he'll make an immediate impact and is a once a decade talent would be enough for me to choose building around him then getting a bunch of draft picks to build around (1)Alex Smith, Jamarcuss Russell, David Carr, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco. This is predicated on Luck living up to the hype but I don't know how you pass on that.

And doing a poor job of building around Peyton Manning is the Colts fault. They've had more than 10 drafts/offseasons to build around him and you think they've done a bad job of putting talent around him. So basically, the Colts would just throw their draft picks away anyways. At least they could make one good pick by taking Luck just like they did by taking Manning.

Btw, other than a good defense, Brady didn't have much talent on the offensive side of the ball. A bunch of junk receivers like Gaffney and (2)Branch(Brady was the only reason he was ever good). And they didn't seem to have much of a running game, filtering in old running backs like Corey Dillion and subpar running backs like Kevin Faulk.
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(1)Wow, those guys were all really high draft picks. Those teams that drafted them were banking on building around them, weren't they? Jets even traded up to get Sanchez.

For every Peyton Manning there's a Tom Brady. For every Peyton Manning there are 2-3 Jamarcus Russels. How many great QB's have been found outside of the first round?

(2) Weird comment since Branch went to Seattle and pretty much put up the same numbers per game he did with Brady prior to that. He was just injured a lot in Seattle, which is why his numbers plummeted.

BTW, Dillon rushed for 1600 yards his first season as a Patriot (Brady's last SB).
 
#2,852
#2,852
nbakerld said:
What if someone is willing to trade their whole draft for Luck (Ditka style)? Say somebody will trade their first 4 picks for him (if he's as desired as people claim, there may be a team willing to do that), at what point do the Colts say to themselves, "We can be the Steelers banking on a roster full of talent, or we can continue to be the Colts and bank on one guy."
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I would take that trade in a second
 
#2,853
#2,853
The colts need players all over the field. One Qb is not going to fix it, even when Peyton comes back he is going to need some help. We need a head coach not a guy was a QB coach 2 years ago.
 
#2,854
#2,854
I understanding trading a pick like that if you're a team in as much need as the colts of talent across the roster, but luck is worth the exception.
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#2,855
#2,855
That's what everyone is saying, but could he be a bust? Is it worth the risk, as opposed to filling roster needs with proven young talent or veterans?
 
#2,856
#2,856
You need a good roster, but the bottom line is that to win SB's you also need an elite QB. It's like a basketball team with a bunch of good players but no center, a baseball team with a bunch of sluggers and high % hitters but no ace, or the Philly Flyers in hockey. Sure, you'll win plenty of games and make playoffs, but you are no threat to win it all without that one piece.

Besides, Luck is already doing the college equivalent of what Peyton does in the pros, basically simultaneously being OC and QB.
 
#2,857
#2,857
milohimself said:
You need a good roster, but the bottom line is that to win SB's you also need an elite QB. It's like a basketball team with a bunch of good players but no center, a baseball team with a bunch of sluggers and high % hitters but no ace, or the Philly Flyers in hockey. Sure, you'll win plenty of games and make playoffs, but you are no threat to win it all without that one piece.

Besides, Luck is already doing the college equivalent of what Peyton does in the pros, basically simultaneously being OC and QB.
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It is interesting that he is so cerebral, like Manning, and is considered the safest, most surefire pick since Manning.
 
#2,863
#2,863
You know what's especially troubling about this 62-7 loss is that the Colts ran the ball very well for a change, and only turned it over one time.
 
#2,864
#2,864
I would say Luck is probably the safest #1 draft pick since Peyton for sure, maybe in the last 20 or more seasons. Usually O-linemen taken in the first round are pretty safe bets too unless they're named Mandarich.
 
#2,865
#2,865
superdave1984 said:
I would say Luck is probably the safest #1 draft pick since Peyton for sure, maybe in the last 20 or more seasons. Usually O-linemen taken in the first round are pretty safe bets too unless they're named Mandarich.
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I heard a few analyst say Luck is safest pick since Elway
 
#2,869
#2,869
milohimself said:
I think Miami will still get it. I know that Miami came closer to winning, but throughout this season, they've looked like one of the sorriest football teams I've seen in a long, long time. Indy has been at least scrappy for the most part, and still have a number of very winnable games: Jax*2, Tenn*2, Carolina.

Miami goes to KC in two weeks, but other than that their schedule looks like this: @Giants, Skins, Bills, @Boys, Raiders, Eagles, @Bills, @Pats, Jets. The Phins should get run off the field by all of them.
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If Cam plays like he did against the Skins, I don't think the game is very winnable at all for the Colts...
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#2,872
#2,872
volfanjustin said:
John Clayton said this morning that staff changes will happen this off season and Caldwell might be fired.
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John really going out on the limb there....... One more debacle like last Sunday night will do the entire staff in before the end of the season. You can't keep a coaching staff which has made the team a laughingstock around the league.
 
#2,874
#2,874
OldandStillaVol said:
John really going out on the limb there....... One more debacle like last Sunday night will do the entire staff in before the end of the season. You can't keep a coaching staff which has made the team a laughingstock around the league.
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They can't blame this whole thing on not having Peyton. A good coach could get a couple of wins, one freaking player should not be the difference is winning 12 and then when you lose him going winless.
 
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