The Official Hillary Campaign Machine

[Septic]

She turned over a server that held sensitive or classified info to her attorney that didn't have clearance. That's a serious leak.

I guess we have different definitions on what should constitute a classification of serious. I agree that any revelation of any level of classified docs to the unauthorized is unacceptable.

"Serious" to me would be infiltration by a hostile foreign agency.

 

[Mtntrout]

Right, no disagreements.

The opportunity for "serious leaks" was there.

That really isn't relevant though, is it? She broke protocol. It doesn't matter that these things were allegedly not classified at the time, either. There really isn't any excusing this, imo. She should withdraw her candidacy. I know that will never happen, but she's a liability in the general if she gets the nomination.

 

[Septic]

That really isn't relevant though, is it? She broke protocol. It doesn't matter that these things were allegedly not classified at the time, either. There really isn't any excusing this, imo. She should withdraw her candidacy. I know that will never happen, but she's a liability in the general if she gets the nomination.

What isn't relevant?

I agree with everything you said.

 

[volinbham]

I guess we have different definitions on what should constitute a classification of serious. I agree that any revelation of any level of classified docs to the unauthorized is unacceptable.

"Serious" to me would be infiltration by a hostile foreign agency.

That really isn't relevant though, is it? She broke protocol. It doesn't matter that these things were allegedly not classified at the time, either. There really isn't any excusing this, imo. She should withdraw her candidacy. I know that will never happen, but she's a liability in the general if she gets the nomination.

I agree with Mtntrout. The law isn't about our opinion of "serious". The law is the law, revelation to hostiles is not required for the law and policy to be violated.

EDIT: reread and I see what you are saying Septic. Your beef is how the term "serious" gets applied to a a leak rather than whether having the info on the server and/or having that in the possession of someone without a security classification (her lawyer) is legally and procedurally problematic

 

[Septic]

I agree with Mtntrout. The law isn't about our opinion of "serious". The law is the law, revelation to hostiles is not required for the law and policy to be violated.

EDIT: reread and I see what you are saying Septic. Your beef is how the term "serious" gets applied to a a leak rather than whether having the info on the server and/or having that in the possession of someone without a security classification (her lawyer) is legally and procedurally problematic

Yes.

 

[hog88]

I guess we have different definitions on what should constitute a classification of serious. I agree that any revelation of any level of classified docs to the unauthorized is unacceptable.

"Serious" to me would be infiltration by a hostile foreign agency.

I'm in no way an expert on classified or sensitive information but I'm pretty sure any leak or compromise of security is "serious".

That is unless your last name is Clinton.

 

[Septic]

I'm in no way an expert on classified or sensitive information but I'm pretty sure any leak or compromise of security is "serious".

That is unless your last name is Clinton.

But we don't know that a compromise of security occurred, that's speculation. Only that the server was not not secured by governmental protocol.

So far I'm only aware that classified documents existed on her unsecured personal server. That is different from an actual compromise of the information housed on it.

Edit: Th words you guys are using change the meaning of the facts as they are known. "Compromise of security" and "Serious Leak" - perhaps those things will pan out to be true, but so far - they haven't. That doesn't change the fact that she violated protocol, I get that.

 

[hog88]

But we don't know that a compromise of security occurred, only that the server was not not secured by governmental protocol. That's speculation.

So far I'm only aware that classified documents existed on her unsecured personal server. That is different from an actual compromise of the information housed on it.

That in itself is a compromise of security.

I remember working on Arnold AF Base in Tullahoma, all techs had to sign these security forms and the list of things prohibited was ridiculous. We ran cameras down some lines and had to turn over the recorder when done.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

You are delusional if you don't think spies knew she had an unprotected server.

 

[hog88]

You are delusional if you don't think spies knew she had an unprotected server.

Anyone she emailed knew she wasn't using a government secured system.

 

[Septic]

That in itself is a compromise of security.

I remember working on Arnold AF Base in Tullahoma, all techs had to sign these security forms and the list of things prohibited was ridiculous. We ran cameras down some lines and had to turn over the recorder when done.

I see what you're saying and I agree with that point of view. I was looking at it from viewpoint of the opportunity versus an actual infiltration.

The argument that was made was not that of opportunity but that serious leaks had occurred. I think meaning is becoming word soup at this point.

 

[Gramps]

Hillary clearly stated this was the only email account she used. That is an admission of guilt. If this is the only email she used anything classified she sent or received is on this server.

 

[Mtntrout]

What isn't relevant?

I agree with everything you said.

whether there was a leak or not, or whether it was serious or not: not relevant.

Those rules are there for good reasons, some regarding taxpayer funded information being secured and others for protection of the public good and possibly (certainly in her position I suppose) for national security reasons. You just can't take that stuff lightly, as you are in the service of the American people. It's serious business, whether it is national park data or sensitive diplomatic information. Doesn't matter.

 

[FLVOL69]

Hillary clearly stated this was the only email account she used. That is an admission of guilt. If this is the only email she used anything classified she sent or received is on this server.

$$

 

[AirVol]

Maybe the only thing she's hiding is a list of lesbian lovers. Some may be well known celebrities and she doesn't want that getting out.

 

[AirVol]

Two months of emails missing right before Benghazi.

Nixon lost 18 minutes.

Both are crooks.

 

[Grand Vol]

Two months of emails missing right before Benghazi.

Nixon lost 18 minutes.

Both are crooks.

As VB said, it's a huge right wing conspiracy.

 

[Gramps]

Two months of emails missing right before Benghazi.

Nixon lost 18 minutes.

Both are crooks.

Now, now you must have missed LG's post stating it wasn't fair to compare Hillary to Dick.

 

[1972 Grad]

Maybe the only thing she's hiding is a list of lesbian lovers. Some may be well known celebrities and she doesn't want that getting out.

You think Obama's on the list?

 

[Obsessed]

....

 

[FLVOL69]

You think Obama's on the list?

Yeah,he's between Reggie Love and Larry Sinclair..

 

[Obsessed]

we have plenty of military folks on here.

What would happen if you guys had done something like this?

I know what it is in the business world...

 

[BearCat204]

we have plenty of military folks on here.

What would happen if you guys had done something like this?

I know what it is in the business world...

Dont really have to be in the military to know what happens and how seriously it is taken when you mishandle classified information that you are charged with keeping. I know there have been several occurrences at just the command I work with of people being fined, loss of clearance, and job termination for things as simple as not locking up a cd that is marked SECRET. She will be given a pass, and probably wont serve any time, but if she did have this information anywhere but within the DOD IT infrastructure, she is incapable of serving as POTUS, IMO.

 

[FLVOL69]

dont really have to be in the military to know what happens and how seriously it is taken when you mishandle classified information that you are charged with keeping. I know there have been several occurrences at just the command i work with of people being fined, loss of clearance, and job termination for things as simple as not locking up a cd that is marked secret. She will be given a pass, and probably wont serve any time, but if she did have this information anywhere but within the dod it infrastructure, she is incapable of serving as potus, imo.

👍👍

 

[Gramps]

I just received word (from my source) that Hillary's email server was hid away in an old bathroom. Good place for it, I sure there was plenty of shat ran thru it.