The Official #9 Tennessee vs. #1 Alabama Game Thread, 3:30 pm ET, CBS

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#4,151
Ancient Astronaut said:
Verne is having fun calling football games. Would you do it differently?
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C'mon man.... You've gotta recognize when it's time to retire. He hasn't You've gotta know when you're not getting it done anymore.

Unless you just want to hang on..... Dine out on your past accomplishments no matter what (I'm Verne Lundquist dammit!!)

Get out while you're still good!

Don't hang on until you're "just adequate" because that's how you're going to be remembered......
 
#4,152
#4,152
GhostVol said:
Are you just refusing to address what I said?

I'm guessing...... yes.

Or do you just want to throw out words like "delusional" and not be called out for it??
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Ok...I'll bite....


Injuries, the majority of our injuries are on defense, please explain how those injuries affect the ridiculously bad offensive performance we saw tonight. Please explain how those injuries limited our offensive play caller in his ability to call plays tonight, when our "workhorse back" was out last week, but was available this week. Please explain to me how our injuries stopped CBJ from going for it on 4th and inches down 32 points.

Recruiting, please explain to me how other teams, who have had lower recruiting classes in the same time frame, have better senior talent than we do.

The difference is coaching.

I'll stick this thread so we can come back and revisit it in December of 2019, because I'll concede the fact that Butch will be here until then, barring a housecleaning of his coaching staff, or a massive paradigm shift in his coaching ethos.
 
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#4,154
BeardedVol said:
Ok...I'll bite....


Injuries, the majority of our injuries are on defense, please explain how those injuries affect the ridiculously bad offensive performance we saw tonight. Please explain how those injuries limited our offensive play caller in his ability to call plays tonight, when our "workhorse back" was out last week, but was available this week. Please explain to me how our injuries stopped CBJ from going for it on 4th and inches down 32 points.

Recruiting, please explain to me how other teams, who have had lower recruiting classes in the same time frame, have better senior talent than we do.

The difference is coaching.

I'll stick this thread so we can come back and revisit it in December of 2019, because I'll concede the fact that Butch will be here until then, barring a housecleaning of his coaching staff, or a massive paradigm shift in his coaching ethos.
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Recruiting and coaching at important positions like MLB and OT is the key to winning. You can't have a FR RT, who's a huge project recruit, playing against Bama on year four, especially one that weighs 270. You gotta find better options when players are injured. Jumper is the same way. Those guys don't have the skills to play 4 quarters against Bama. Year 4, the excuses are out the door. We don't have great depth a OT, MLB, and CB, and it showed today. That's on this staff.

In terms of offensive play calling, I believe DeBord had his worst game here today. The whole offense was a mess, and it's starts with the youth up front. Year 4 and your backup options are two RS FR, a JR C, and a true FR. Really bad depth, esp at OT.
 
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#4,155
GhostVol said:
Are you just refusing to address what I said?

I'm guessing...... yes.

Or do you just want to throw out words like "delusional" and not be called out for it??
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:lol:

First he will ignore the question.

Then, he'll answer your next question with a question.

Then, you were a Dooley lover.

Then he will feel for your friends and family.

I still have a question that was never answered, after over 100 posts.
 
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Behr said:
:lol:

First he will ignore the question.

Then, he'll answer your next question with a question.

Then, you were a Dooley lover.

Then he will feel for your friends and family.

I still have a question that was never answered, after over 100 posts.
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As always, you bring Behr-wisdom to the thread...

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#4,159
BeardedVol said:
Ok...I'll bite....


Injuries, the majority of our injuries are on defense, please explain how those injuries affect the ridiculously bad offensive performance we saw tonight. Please explain how those injuries limited our offensive play caller in his ability to call plays tonight, when our "workhorse back" was out last week, but was available this week. Please explain to me how our injuries stopped CBJ from going for it on 4th and inches down 32 points.

Recruiting, please explain to me how other teams, who have had lower recruiting classes in the same time frame, have better senior talent than we do.

The difference is coaching.

I'll stick this thread so we can come back and revisit it in December of 2019, because I'll concede the fact that Butch will be here until then, barring a housecleaning of his coaching staff, or a massive paradigm shift in his coaching ethos.
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Alright..... I'll play your game.

Do you seriously want to debate game tactics that led us to be 5-0 going into the A&M game?

I get it..... You just want to complain!

"Coaches didn't call the same play I would have in this situation therefore I hate them!!!!"

"If it were up to me I'd have called X play with X seconds left on the clock, therefore THEY'RE idiots"

If you know so much I'd submit that you should be the coach making millions of dollars a year.......

Go ahead and submit your resume to replace coach Jones...... You obviously know more about the game than the man that's making millions of dollars coaching it.

Let me know when you submit your coaching resume and the result of your having done so........

I need a good laught!
 
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keckjm said:
Recruiting and coaching at important positions like MLB and OT is the key to winning. You can't have a FR RT, who's a huge project recruit, playing against Bama on year four, especially one that weighs 270. You gotta find better options when players are injured. Jumper is the same way. Those guys don't have the skills to play 4 quarters against Bama. Year 4, the excuses are out the door. We don't have great depth a OT, MLB, and CB, and it showed today. That's on this staff.

In terms of offensive play calling, I believe DeBord had his worst game here today. The whole offense was a mess, and it's starts with the youth up front. Year 4 and your backup options are two RS FR, a JR C, and a true FR. Really bad depth, esp at OT.
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From a defensive side, you are 100% correct, we have guys out there, that obviously shouldn't be, but on offense, we should have enough depth to put together a serviceable offensive gameplan.

At this rate, we'd really need a minimum of 6 top 5 recruiting classes, with the ability to redshirt 2 entire classes to have adequate depth according to what we've seen this year. That's completely unrealistic for any program.
 
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BeardedVol said:
From a defensive side, you are 100% correct, we have guys out there, that obviously shouldn't be, but on offense, we should have enough depth to put together a serviceable offensive gameplan.

At this rate, we'd really need a minimum of 6 top 5 recruiting classes, with the ability to redshirt 2 entire classes to have adequate depth according to what we've seen this year. That's completely unrealistic for any program.
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So.... How many teams are you coaching?

I'm guessing......None.
 
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#4,164
GhostVol said:
Alright..... I'll play your game.

Do you seriously want to debate game tactics that led us to be 5-0 going into the A&M game?

I get it..... You just want to complain!

"Coaches didn't call the same play I would have in this situation therefore I hate them!!!!"

"If it were up to me I'd have called X play with X seconds left on the clock, therefore THEY'RE idiots"

If you know so much I'd submit that you should be the coach making millions of dollars a year.......

Go ahead and submit your resume to replace coach Jones...... You obviously know more about the game than the man that's making millions of dollars coaching it.

Let me know when you submit your coaching resume and the result of your having done so........

I need a good laught!
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Were you among the people screaming "NEGAVOL" on here when those of us who pointed out the fact that App State took us to overtime, and we needed a terrible FG on their part to even get a chance to win the game, was not a good sigh?

Were you screaming "NEGAVOL" after some of us pointed out that without the 5 turnovers on VA Tech's part, that we would not have looked nearly as impressive schematically?

Were you screaming "NEGAVOL" when people pointed out the fact that we couldn't seem to put away an inferior Ohio team, and that it didn't bode well for our offense when we played better competition?

This, is better competition.

Oh, I know what you are going to say, what about Florida, what about Georgia.

There was a time when TN expected to handily beat a Florida team, at home, with a second string QB, or a Georgia team with a first year head coach and a freshman QB, without needing heroic efforts, and a Hail Mary with zero time on the clock.

Our entire scheme this year has been to hope to play just well enough, and for our opponent to make more mistakes than us, and it failed when we encountered real competition.

You can trot out the W/L ratio at the end of the year when you are pumping yourself up after we beat a mediocre team in a mediocre bowl, but until then, whether you believe it or not, how you win and how you lose games matters, from ticket sales, to ranking, to recruiting.
 
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GhostVol said:
So.... How many teams are you coaching?

I'm guessing......None.
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So now the metric of being able to evaluate a college football coaching staff, is dependent on having coached football?

So Dave Hart should be fired, and should have never been allowed to hire Butch Jones, that's what you are saying?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Were you among the people screaming "NEGAVOL" on here when those of us who pointed out the fact that App State took us to overtime, and we needed a terrible FG on their part to even get a chance to win the game, was not a good sigh?

Were you screaming "NEGAVOL" after some of us pointed out that without the 5 turnovers on VA Tech's part, that we would not have looked nearly as impressive schematically?

Were you screaming "NEGAVOL" when people pointed out the fact that we couldn't seem to put away an inferior Ohio team, and that it didn't bode well for our offense when we played better competition?

This, is better competition.

Oh, I know what you are going to say, what about Florida, what about Georgia.

There was a time when TN expected to handily beat a Florida team, at home, with a second string QB, or a Georgia team with a first year head coach and a freshman QB, without needing heroic efforts, and a Hail Mary with zero time on the clock.

Our entire scheme this year has been to hope to play just well enough, and for our opponent to make more mistakes than us, and it failed when we encountered real competition.

You can trot out the W/L ratio at the end of the year when you are pumping yourself up after we beat a mediocre team in a mediocre bowl, but until then, whether you believe it or not, how you win and how you lose games matters, from ticket sales, to ranking, to recruiting.
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Holy crap......

You don't remember 5-7 seasons??

And now your're b****ing about a potential 10-2 season.....

Sure!! If we don't progress (and we are) .

Damn, dude, we gotta win a natty every year or we should can the coach!!!!

That's what it is, isn't it? If TN doesn't win a natty every year we should FIRE 'em all..... **** that KILL 'EM ALL........

You sicken me.......
 
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BeardedVol said:
So now the metric of being able to evaluate a college football coaching staff, is dependent on having coached football?

So Dave Hart should be fired, and should have never been allowed to hire Butch Jones, that's what you are saying?
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It's. A. Game. Dumb***

Get over yourself....
 
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fade route said:
Not really a fair statement since you could say that about 95% of all coaches.
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There are only 2 teams this caliber this year, Ala. and Ohio St. Clemson does not look that tough this year and when their QB leaves they will fade away. Until Saban and Urban dies this is it
 
#4,171
#4,171
GhostVol said:
Holy crap......

You don't remember 5-7 seasons??

And now your're b****ing about a potential 10-2 season.....

Sure!! If we don't progress (and we are) .

Damn, dude, we gotta win a natty every year or we should can the coach!!!!

That's what it is, isn't it? If TN doesn't win a natty every year we should FIRE 'em all..... **** that KILL 'EM ALL........

You sicken me.......
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Moving the goalposts. Typical. There were quite a few people people raising the red flags when App State took us to overtime because their kicker sucks, people like you were shouting us down as "negavols."

Now you see why there was some concern in the fact that the team comes out every game unprepared? Or that half the players on the offense don't seem to fit the offensive scheme that Debord has tried to shoehorn in every game?

I know Butch is going to be here through 2019, but damnation man, how do we recruit a decent oline when we send zero to the NFL draft year in and year out? What wide receiver is going to want to come here and play in a scheme where they are going to downfield block on 80% of the plays?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Moving the goalposts. Typical. There were quite a few people people raising the red flags when App State took us to overtime because their kicker sucks, people like you were shouting us down as "negavols."

Now you see why there was some concern in the fact that the team comes out every game unprepared? Or that half the players on the offense don't seem to fit the offensive scheme that Debord has tried to shoehorn in every game?

I know Butch is going to be here through 2019, but damnation man, how do we recruit a decent oline when we send zero to the NFL draft year in and year out? What wide receiver is going to want to come here and play in a scheme where they are going to downfield block on 80% of the plays?
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You talking crazy Mr Beard. Blue intended
 
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#4,173
GhostVol said:
It's. A. Game. Dumb***

Get over yourself....
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Since you've resorted to personal attacks, am I to assume that no you don't actually think that one needs to have coached to evaluated a college football coaching staff?

You see, it's a bit confusing since you didn't actually respond.
 
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