The Official 2nd Amendment Appreciation Thread

#6,729
#6,729
Grand Vol said:
The 1970s TV show?
Click to expand...

7de0d85c2959522b78f29e73f18353ca.jpg
 
#6,734
#6,734
Grand Vol said:
I just have a hard time putting a Luger or even a P38 on a list of viable self defense pistols these days. Remember, criteria has to be a custom shop or aftermarket accessories.

Luger or P38 as a keepsake, sure, that'll be on the top 5 of anyone's list. But I'm talking a pistol you'd reach for when things go bump in the night.
Click to expand...


Hmmm. May have not really turned the screws on the criteria enough. OK, 2.0

1911 - Still Duh

Ruger Redhawk - .44 or .45LC. If you reload I might lean towards the Colt, otherwise the .44 covers all the bases. Not all defensive situations involve bipeds and sometimes the bump in the night is a growl in the dark.

The Sigs

Glock 17/19

Walther PPK - something has to be in the small carry category and 007 approved.
 
#6,735
#6,735
hndog609 said:
Hmmm. May have not really turned the screws on the criteria enough. OK, 2.0

1911 - Still Duh

Ruger Redhawk - .44 or .45LC. If you reload I might lean towards the Colt, otherwise the .44 covers all the bases. Not all defensive situations involve bipeds and sometimes the bump in the night is a growl in the dark.

The Sigs

Glock 17/19

Walther PPK - something has to be in the small carry category and 007 approved.
Click to expand...

You know, I thought about the PPK, but I wasn't sure about the custom work or aftermarket parts. However, it truly was the pinnacle in a CCW pistol for a long time and the design was copied or inspired other pistols.
 
#6,736
#6,736
Some more.

Colt 1903 pocket hammerless
HK P7
S&W model 37 or colt detective special
Colt 1917 or s&w 1917 in .45acp
Some type of derringer, perhaps something from bond arms.
 
#6,739
#6,739
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
No. I went more concealed carry type besides the 1917 revolvers. Trying to add different things, like the P7 and 1903.
Click to expand...

Remember the criteria:

  • Must have been in production for at least 25 years (though improved models will be accepted, Glock 17 Generations for example)
  • Must achieve "mainstream" use
  • Must still be a viable defensive pistol today (subjective maybe)
  • Must have significant aftermarket mods or a custom shop
  • Must be in a mainstream caliber (Available at Walmart or without a dedicated Google search)

I think the P7 is debatable about the "mainstream" use as well as the aftermarket. It's been used, yes, but generally by special purpose forces and some police agencies.

Same thing for the 1903 (same argument I'd have against the Luger and P38 in regards to the aftermarket).

I think the K Frame or Redhawk/Blackhawk certainly trumps the 1917 models in regards to revolvers.

You could be onto something with the J Frame and Colt Detective. It's "mainstream" enough and still in production...at least the S&W.

I would tend to thing a derringer is a hard sell for pistols people "have owned at one point" as well as mainstream use. Plus, it's a consistency thing with me as to who's manufacturing them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: distrovol
#6,741
#6,741
Grand Vol said:
Don't get feisty, old man.
Click to expand...

They all meet the criteria. The only possible exception is the bond arms, I’m not sure how long they’ve been in business. The concept goes back to blackpowder days.

When it comes to the military 1917 revolvers, I could’ve easily said the smith model 25 or 625. .45acp revolvers are a blast to shoot.

Cylinder and slide as well as Novak offer packages for the 1903. C&S even build their own in .45.


So, there.

I won’t address the ruger double action revolvers because I think they are trash. I’ve owned two and both shat the bed on me with heavy loads. Give me a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk any day.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#6,743
#6,743
Why do I get the feeling DTH is going to be breaking into a museum if he hears something go bump in the night?
 
#6,745
#6,745
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I won’t address the ruger double action revolvers because I think they are trash. I’ve owned two and both shat the bed on me with heavy loads. Give me a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk any day.
Click to expand...


I find that astonishing. The only reason I said Blackhawk earlier and Redhawk later was the former is more of the iconic SAA "style" and the latter, due to the DA ability, a better pure defensive arm. No less an expert than Hamilton Bowen loves the Redhawks. I pounded the hell out of a Redhawk (standard, not Super) for years without problems. (not so much anymore, if I need to throw big fast bullets I've got a .500)



Obviously I don't doubt your experience, I'm just a bit surprised.
 
#6,746
#6,746
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Breaking in? I live there lol


I like old stuff. Guns that have proven the test of time, guns made by craftsmen. Not cookie cutter assembly lines.
Click to expand...

By museum, I meant your gun safe.

I think I might not have been clear on the intent of what I was looking for specifically. Maybe the pistols that will stand the test of time and still be as popular 100 years down the road as they are now (providing the phased plasma pistol in the 40 watt range isn't available). Pistols that will likely still be in production due to their design and staying power in the market.

Lugers, P38s, P7s, 1917s, etc will still be around, but will they still be viable defensive arms then? Or safe queens that parts are hard to get for? Let's face it, I don't think any pistol will ever eclipse the 1911 for length of production and popularity. Maybe Glock, but they've got another 65 years to go once the production ends on the 1911 if it ever does. Glock may surpass the BHP. The Sig Legacy series is iffy on length of run, but the popularity cannot be denied. And the K Frame will likely still be churned out so long as S&W wants.
 
#6,747
#6,747
hndog609 said:
I find that astonishing. The only reason I said Blackhawk earlier and Redhawk later was the former is more of the iconic SAA "style" and the latter, due to the DA ability, a better pure defensive arm. No less an expert than Hamilton Bowen loves the Redhawks. I pounded the hell out of a Redhawk (standard, not Super) for years without problems. (not so much anymore, if I need to throw big fast bullets I've got a .500)



Obviously I don't doubt your experience, I'm just a bit surprised.
Click to expand...

Two redhawks one in 45 colt/45acp another in 44 mag. Both locked up on me with 300 grain bullets. Believe me, I couldn’t believe it either. If i am buying a ruger, it’s gonna be a single action. I dont trust their quality control. The frame was fine, the action was not.

Keep in mind, Mr. Bowen could build a ruger from scratch. He can fix things the average guy simply cannot.
 
#6,748
#6,748
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Two redhawks one in 45 colt/45acp another in 44 mag. Both locked up on me with 300 grain bullets. Believe me, I couldn’t believe it either. If i am buying a ruger, it’s gonna be a single action. I dont trust their quality control. The frame was fine, the action was not.

Keep in mind, Mr. Bowen could build a ruger from scratch. He can fix things the average guy simply cannot.
Click to expand...


Wow. I mean, the Big Red's rep is so strong there are loads from Garrett and Buffalo Bore as well as reloading information that specifically cite Redhawks as one of the few acceptable platforms. I'd wager more heavy loads have been shot from Redhawks than anything other than the Blackhawk.

Having said that if you've had two bad issues I can see how trusting them would be tough for you personally.

Kind of an aside but someday I'm going to bite the bullet and either have Bowen work one up for me or spring for a Freedom Arms Premier. I still have no idea which way I'll go with that one.
 
Last edited:
#6,749
#6,749
hndog609 said:
Wow. I mean, the Big Red's rep is so strong there are loads from Garrett and Buffalo Bore as well as reloading information that specifically cite Redhawks as one of the few acceptable platforms. I'd wager more heavy loads have been shot from Redhawks than anything other than the Blackhawk.

Having said that if you've had two bad issues I can see how trusting them would be tough for you personally.
Click to expand...

The guns still functioned. They just hung up every now and then. You’d get a frozen trigger and it wouldn’t do anything. Both were bought about the same time, about 2 years ago.


I’ve looked at a freedom arms model 97 at my local shop and it’s plainly the best of the breed when it comes to single actions imo. The holy grail.
 
#6,750
#6,750
Anyone get their wife/girlfriend a home defense pistol? What do you all recommend? She's like 5'2 110 so probably needs something small.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top