The Official 2nd Amendment Appreciation Thread

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VolStrom said:
Thanks, I'm gonna order a few boxes. Probably only take one but I want to see what those bad boys can do before hand on something less mobile.
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Yeah, go through at least a box replicating defensive fire. 870's aren't particularly finicky but always test defensive ammo in the carry weapon. It's just prudent.
 
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Grand, you mentioned Para the other day for a 1911 DA/SA. I've still been researching what was out there. I went to their website and they were not specific about their actions so I decided to call. A guy answered the phone and told me Para is no more. Got eaten by Remington. Just thought you'd like to know. Also, they never offered a 1911 in DA/SA. At least that's what he said. Just FYI.

Also, evidently the Taurus PT1911 is DA/SA. What's your opinion on the Taurus?

Edit: The guy was wrong I talked to. They are SA.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Grand, you mentioned Para the other day for a 1911 DA/SA. I've still been researching what was out there. I went to their website and they were not specific about their actions so I decided to call. A guy answered the phone and told me Para is no more. Got eaten by Remington. Just thought you'd like to know. Also, they never offered a 1911 in DA/SA. At least that's what he said. Just FYI.
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Honestly didn't know they weren't being produced under the Para USA brand name any longer. I knew they got swept up in the Freedom Group brand, but not a complete dismissal of their name.

Also, forgive the minor slip, but I was referring to the LDA system. It's not a true DA/SA system, more like a DAO if anything. Quite unique in the way it works:

Para-Ordnance P14-45 - Modern Firearms Modern Firearms - Encyclopedia of Modern Fire Arms

However, the LDA models have an entirely different trigger setup. The key for the “Lightweight Double Action” (hence the LDA acronym) is the hammer cam, which is interposed between the main spring and the hammer. During the cocking cycle the hammer is pulled back; this movement causes the cam to rotate and to compress the main spring. Once spring is compressed, the hammer cam is held cocked by the main sear. The hammer, which is not directly connected to the main spring, is then returned forward by its own, relatively soft hammer spring. When the trigger is pulled, it raises the hammer until it connects to the cocked hammer cam; at this moment, the sear is depressed and hammer cam, powered by the main spring, forces the hammer forward and toward the firing pin; at the same moment, the automatic firing pin safety is released to allow the firing pin to hit the primer. This system, which is obviously based on the FN’s “Fast Action” trigger of the early 1980s, allows for a very light and smooth trigger pull, since the hammer spring is very light, and the stronger main spring is cocked only during the reload. However, LDA could not be considered as a “true Double Action Only” design, as it does not permit a fast second strike in the case of misfire; in this case, the shooter must manually recock the main-spring and hammer cam by pulling the hammer back manually
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My apologies as it's been a while since I looked at them. But they do still list the LDA on their site, just not the 14.45 any longer:

PARA: LDA Officer
 
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Grand Vol said:
Honestly didn't know they weren't being produced under the Para USA brand name any longer. I knew they got swept up in the Freedom Group brand, but not a complete dismissal of their name.

Also, forgive the minor slip, but I was referring to the LDA system. It's not a true DA/SA system, more like a DAO if anything. Quite unique in the way it works:

Para-Ordnance P14-45 - Modern Firearms Modern Firearms - Encyclopedia of Modern Fire Arms



My apologies as it's been a while since I looked at them. But they do still list the LDA on their site, just not the 14.45 any longer:

PARA: LDA Officer
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No problem. Your info is very valuable to me and I appreciate your knowledge. Mad respect for you sharing. :hi:


I'm down to the sig or h&k. I'm liking the h&k tactical. There's a few of them around me used too.
 
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Ok.
Another dumb question

Can I shot the nato equivalent in my 308?

7.62x51
If what I’ve read is correct, the 308 actually has higher pressure than the nato round...(opposite of the 5.56/223)
Am I understanding this correctly?
 
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Obsessed said:
Ok.
Another dumb question

Can I shot the nato equivalent in my 308?

7.62x51
If what I’ve read is correct, the 308 actually has higher pressure than the nato round...(opposite of the 5.56/223)
Am I understanding this correctly?
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You got it right. You’re good to go with 308 or 7.62 NATO.

What scope did you choose?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Honestly didn't know they weren't being produced under the Para USA brand name any longer. I knew they got swept up in the Freedom Group brand, but not a complete dismissal of their name.

Also, forgive the minor slip, but I was referring to the LDA system. It's not a true DA/SA system, more like a DAO if anything. Quite unique in the way it works:

Para-Ordnance P14-45 - Modern Firearms Modern Firearms - Encyclopedia of Modern Fire Arms



My apologies as it's been a while since I looked at them. But they do still list the LDA on their site, just not the 14.45 any longer:

PARA: LDA Officer
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Oh yea, I saw the LDA on the site but I thought it was straight double action.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Oh yea, I saw the LDA on the site but I thought it was straight double action.
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It more or less is, but more like a way lighter pull DAO.

Just go with the classic. Worship at the altar of John Moses Browning and revel in the craftsmanship of the finest combat pistol ever made.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It more or less is, but more like a way lighter pull DAO.

Just go with the classic. Worship at the altar of John Moses Browning and revel in the craftsmanship of the finest combat pistol ever made.
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I've got a colt mini 1911 380. I really want a SA/DA. I know it's safe but I hate carrying cocked and locked.
 
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Grand:

What do you think about the desert eagles? Their website claims they are SA/DA.

It looks like they are part of the Kahr family. The Baby Desert Eagle looks reasonably priced and even though it is called a baby, it is a full size.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've got a colt mini 1911 380. I really want a SA/DA. I know it's safe but I hate carrying cocked and locked.
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I hear you, and I don't. I use two options with my 1911's, and it's a "to each his own" thing:
(1) Full mag, empty pipe, and it's draw & rack.
(2) Full mag, one in the pipe, and at the half-cock. For this one, practice drawing and getting the hammer back simultaneously.


Best I got.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've got a colt mini 1911 380. I really want a SA/DA. I know it's safe but I hate carrying cocked and locked.
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Why keep it cocked? You can have one in throat with the hammer down and be assured nothing is going to happen. If you practice cocking the hammer with your pull you’re ready to go.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Why keep it cocked? You can have one in throat with the hammer down and be assured nothing is going to happen. If you practice cocking the hammer with your pull you’re ready to go.
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That's an option. I own a glock so no safeties just pull the trigger. I've just always prefered a SA/DA. Just me.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I hear you, and I don't. I use two options with my 1911's, and it's a "to each his own" thing:
(1) Full mag, empty pipe, and it's draw & rack.
(2) Full mag, one in the pipe, and at the half-cock. For this one, practice drawing and getting the hammer back simultaneously.


Best I got.
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If I'm carrying a S/A, option 2 is the way I go.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yes, why? Are they junk? That's why I'm asking.
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Are you talking about the big boy magnum ones?

It's a movie gun. Very few, if any, people actually use them for defense. But boy, do they love to prance around with it at the range and look all kinds of cool.

The pistol empty weighs four pounds. And contrary to popular internet mythology, the Israeli Army never used them.

You want a magnum? Buy a Ruger revolver. Way cheaper, lighter and you can be at least half as cool prancing around the range with your .44 Mag Super Redhawk

Now, if you're talking the Baby Eagle, it was originally called the Jericho 941 and in turn was based on the CZ-75 action. Long story short, the CZ-75 type actions are reliable and I've never heard of anyone complaining about the Jericho/Baby Eagle, though they aren't terribly popular. Basically, it's a CZ-97 with a thicker slide.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Are you talking about the big boy magnum ones?

It's a movie gun. Very few, if any, people actually use them for defense. But boy, do they love to prance around with it at the range and look all kinds of cool.

The pistol empty weighs four pounds. And contrary to popular internet mythology, the Israeli Army never used them.

You want a magnum? Buy a Ruger revolver. Way cheaper, lighter and you can be at least half as cool prancing around the range with your .44 Mag Super Redhawk

Now, if you're talking the Baby Eagle, it was originally called the Jericho 941 and in turn was based on the CZ-75 action. Long story short, the CZ-75 type actions are reliable and I've never heard of anyone complaining about the Jericho/Baby Eagle, though they aren't terribly popular. Basically, it's a CZ-97 with a thicker slide.
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Lol, no, not the hand cannon. I was talking about the baby eagle. I edited my post after you responded. Here's one I might look at.

MAGNUM RESEARCH BABY EAGLE III FULL-SIZE .45ACP $591.00

Seems like it's decent deal. It is SA/DA. they make it in polymer too but I'd buy the steel version.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, no, not the hand cannon. I was talking about the baby eagle. I edited my post after you responded. Here's one I might look at.

MAGNUM RESEARCH BABY EAGLE III FULL-SIZE .45ACP $591.00

Seems like it's decent deal. It is SA/DA. they make it in polymer too but I'd buy the steel version.
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Again, not terribly popular, but Kahr itself has a good reputation for standing by its products.

The CZ line and clones tend to be fairly bulletproof designs. Carrying that thing will be a challenge as it would with any solid steel pistol. If you're really looking for a solid full size .45 ACP pistol, might I suggest taking a look at this?

Walther PPQ M2 45ACP 4IN $587.00

Similar actions to your Go-Lock, but with far better triggers.
 
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