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txbo said:
For the Hearing Protection Act?
It's really hard to predict how quickly anything is going to move through congress right now.
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I won't require your first born as collateral, just looking for an educated guess as you seem to be the most educated on the matter in these parts. :)
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I won't require your first born as collateral, just looking for an educated guess as you seem to be the most educated on the matter in these parts. :)
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It's just too hard to predict. Sorry.

HR 367 was introduced by Jeff Duncan, SC on 1/9/2017.

It was referred to House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations on 2/6/2017. (ie. just this week)

My last check showed that there had already been 50 bills introduced to this subcommittee earlier this week.

Trey Gowdy, SC will chair the committee for the 115th congress. When it comes to defending constitutional rights in congress, he may have an equal, but there is nobody better. He also has respects for his fellow congressman from SC, Jeff Duncan.

This bill will get out of committee and to the floor, but I have no idea yet how Mr. Gowdy will prioritize 367 with the other 50 bills assigned to his committee.

A committee calendar is not available yet. Once it is, we'll have a better idea of time. Stay tuned.

ETA: 26 of the bills referred to this committee were introduced by Democrats. They are pretty much dead on arrival so consider HR 367 to be no worse that middle of the stack.
 
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txbo said:
It's just too hard to predict. Sorry.

HR 367 was introduced by Jeff Duncan, SC on 1/9/2017.

It was referred to House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations on 2/6/2017. (ie. just this week)

My last check showed that there had already been 50 bills introduced to this subcommittee earlier this week.

Trey Gowdy, SC will chair the committee for the 115th congress. When it comes to defending constitutional rights in congress, he may have an equal, but there is nobody better. He also has respects for his fellow congressman from SC, Jeff Duncan.

This bill will get out of committee and to the floor, but I have no idea yet how Mr. Gowdy will prioritize 367 with the other 50 bills assigned to his committee.

A committee calendar is not available yet. Once it is, we'll have a better idea of time. Stay tuned.

ETA: 26 of the bills referred to this committee were introduced by Democrats. They are pretty much dead on arrival so consider HR 367 to be no worse that middle of the stack.
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Thanks. If you see any movement please come back and post any updates. :Hi:
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Thanks. If you see any movement please come back and post any updates. :Hi:
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Will do. Please do the same. I'll leave you with a little bit of encouragement.

It's only the first of February and there are already 3 different paths for this bill to advance:

1) HR 367 through Judiciary Committee assigned to Gowdy's subcommittee.
2) HR 367 was also sent to Ways and Means but has not yet been assigned to subcommittee.
3) The companion bill S59. So far Senate bogged down in confirmation.

This is really very exciting and once it gets to Trump, it will be signed immediately.
 
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Hearing Protection Act call to action:
I hope everyone has already contacted their US Representative and both their US Senators to request their support and encourage their co-sponsorship of HR 367 and H 59.

Additionally, when this passes, many states will need to change wording in their state laws. Most states that allow NFA possession have statutes written contingent on Fed laws. Start working now with your state reps and senators as well as your state rifle association affiliates to have a plan to correct that.

Here in TX, our State congress only goes into session every two years and only for a period of 140 days. If we don't have a fix by the end of session in May, we have to wait until January 2019 to introduce new legislation.
 
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txbo said:
Hearing Protection Act call to action:
I hope everyone has already contacted their US Representative and both their US Senators to request their support and encourage their co-sponsorship of HR 367 and H 59.

Additionally, when this passes, many states will need to change wording in their state laws. Most states that allow NFA possession have statutes written contingent on Fed laws. Start working now with your state reps and senators as well as your state rifle association affiliates to have a plan to correct that.

Here in TX, our State congress only goes into session every two years and only for a period of 140 days. If we don't have a fix by the end of session in May, we have to wait until January 2019 to introduce new legislation.
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If state law conforms to fed regs does separate legislation need to be introduced? I would think it would simply change with whatever the Feds do. A state could decide to carve out the suppressor piece if it was currently conforming to NFA.
 
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Yeah unfortunately, they made it sound like it was a snap together kit. Now I don't know a lot about the AR platform, but I know better than that.
 
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weallvol said:
Yeah unfortunately, they made it sound like it was a snap together kit. Now I don't know a lot about the AR platform, but I know better than that.
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Being a machinist it was pretty easy for me, an edge finder, few layout tools, drill bits and an endmill along with a Bridgeport j-head took me about 45 minutes to complete, the first time. Now after knowing what to do I could complete one in under 30 minutes.

Some people have used a simple drill press, others used a dremil, I would not recommend either. Unless it's polymer then just take it slow.

Genesis cnc has affordable kits with jigs and tools as do other companies. I paid 45$ for my first aluminum 80% lower and 50$ from Genesis cnc for the polymer.

I've got 2 more I need to finish .
 
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weallvol said:
Yeah unfortunately, they made it sound like it was a snap together kit. Now I don't know a lot about the AR platform, but I know better than that.
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Lot of precision machining left to do. Of course the news makes it sound like something you could do with a Phillips head and some loctite. It's the scourge that will kill all the children don't you know. You are going to need access to a CNC or milling machine.
 
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BEATBAMA12 said:
Being a machinist it was pretty easy for me, an edge finder, few layout tools, drill bits and an endmill along with a Bridgeport j-head took me about 45 minutes to complete, the first time. Now after knowing what to do I could complete one in under 30 minutes.

Some people have used a simple drill press, others used a dremil, I would not recommend either. Unless it's polymer then just take it slow.

Genesis cnc has affordable kits with jigs and tools as do other companies. I paid 45$ for my first aluminum 80% lower and 50$ from Genesis cnc for the polymer.

I've got 2 more I need to finish .
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Thanks, I was pretty sure you couldn't do it with a socket set and a couple screwdrivers just was unsure of what it took to complete a 80% lower
 
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weallvol said:
Yeah unfortunately, they made it sound like it was a snap together kit. Now I don't know a lot about the AR platform, but I know better than that.
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I almost threw something at the TV. An 80% lower is not easy to complete. It takes skill and the proper tools. They said you could have an operating AR in under two hours which is a steaming pile of liberal poo. They didn't show any of the machining required to complete the lower. It was just another liberal gun control hit piece.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Lot of precision machining left to do. Of course the news makes it sound like something you could do with a Phillips head and some loctite. It's the scourge that will kill all the children don't you know. You are going to need access to a CNC or milling machine.
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Oh yes I know of the scourge.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I almost threw something at the TV. An 80% lower is not easy to complete. It takes skill and the proper tools. They said you could have an operating AR in under two hours which is a steaming pile of liberal poo. They didn't show any of the machining required to complete the lower. It was just another liberal gun control hit piece.
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After 8 yrs of wanting to throw something at the tv I've tried to restrain myself recently. I haven't believed anything the MSM has had to say for a long time nor will I anytime soon.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
If state law conforms to fed regs does separate legislation need to be introduced? I would think it would simply change with whatever the Feds do. A state could decide to carve out the suppressor piece if it was currently conforming to NFA.
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Many states have statutes that are worded to make suppressors illegal unless you have a Federal tax stamp. If there is no tax stamp required by the feds, that becomes an issue. It should be an easy fix in most states.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
If state law conforms to fed regs does separate legislation need to be introduced? I would think it would simply change with whatever the Feds do. A state could decide to carve out the suppressor piece if it was currently conforming to NFA.
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Update.

HR 367 now has 97 co-sponsors.

HR 367 also has a preemption to state and local laws. No update to state laws should be necessary if this preemption is worded correctly.
 
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txbo said:
Update.

HR 367 now has 97 co-sponsors.

HR 367 also has a preemption to state and local laws. No update to state laws should be necessary if this preemption is worded correctly.
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That is assuming the state wants the change.
You know the usual suspects will line up to keep them heavily regulated or illegal. For the children.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
That is assuming the state wants the change.
You know the usual suspects will line up to keep them heavily regulated or illegal. For the children.
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Sure, but for most states, a properly worded federal exemption should avoid having to wait for states to update the wording of their laws.
 
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txbo said:
Sure, but for most states, a properly worded federal exemption should avoid having to wait for states to update the wording of their laws.
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Of course you are forgetting those States that will automatically go into "BAN!" mode if it's passed and enacted.

I mean, imagine that 30 round per second 30 magazine-clip ghost gun having a silencer installed?
 
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And not to delve too deeply into the politics, that's why I don't get crazy over Feinstein as much. She at least has some knowledge about the situation. I don't agree with her policies involving firearms at all, but she at least educated herself on the matter to an extent unlike most idiots when it comes to gun control.

That's about the only time you will hear me say something nice about her.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Of course you are forgetting those States that will automatically go into "BAN!" mode if it's passed and enacted.

I mean, imagine that 30 round per second 30 magazine-clip ghost gun having a silencer installed?
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No, I haven't forgotten that. I'm simply saying this; if the preemption is written correctly, states will not have to pass laws to immediately remove restrictions on suppressors. States will have to pass laws to keep restrictions on suppressors and they may have legal challenges to that.
 
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