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C1500 said:
Thanks, The model # on mine is not listed.
I tried 282.510841 since mine is 282.510840 I thought they may have changed #'s along the way but they are sold out of everything lol.

I'll keep looking on this site though Its closer than what I have been looking at.
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Numrich is usually the best source of older parts. Call them, they should be able to help you.
 
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Okay, did some checking around and you're digging in the wrong place. Sears and Roebuck apparently contracted out those shotguns to different manufacturers and slapped Ted Williams' name on them:

Ted Williams Shotgun Forum

Which led me here:

Hoosier Gun Works : Online Catalog : Firearms Cross Reference

Closest I could come was one off your model number (841 instead of 840) which was manufactured by Boito, a Brazilian company. You may have better luck looking through the parts for that one instead of the Sears specifically.
 
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C1500 said:
Man im willing to try anything lol. The local gun shop has a huge book with parts everywhere but the one I need. Its not really what people would call a "glamour" gun but papaw dropped it one day and it busted. I would like to fix it up and keep on handing it down.
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Pick'n up paw paws put'em in you pockets, Pick'n up paw paws put'em in your pockets, Pick'n up paw paws put'em in a pockets, Way down yonder in the paw paw patch.

What's a paw paw?
 
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What is everyone's thoughts on the S&W bodyguard .380 as a carry weapon? I like that it has a safety, but the size worrys me because I have large hands.
 
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Sandvol said:
Pick'n up paw paws put'em in you pockets, Pick'n up paw paws put'em in your pockets, Pick'n up paw paws put'em in a pockets, Way down yonder in the paw paw patch.

What's a paw paw?
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Used to have a paw paw tree on my great grandfather's farm. My dad and I would pick a few to eat when we would go hunting. Not allot of fruit around the big seeds... But dang they are good.

Think of a combination of a banana and a pear. And that's pretty close.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
What is everyone's thoughts on the S&W bodyguard .380 as a carry weapon? I like that it has a safety, but the size worrys me because I have large hands.
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I would prefer a larger round, but it's all what you feel comfortable with. Thought about picking up a .380 and an ankle holster for a boot gun.
 
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I purchased an item on Craigs List from a DEA agent, not a gun. I asked him what he carried on the job. he said a Walther .380 not the old PPK. He said it was reliable, highly accurate and easy to conceal. I looked at the reviews from purchasers from several sites and most were bad, people did not recommend them. Anyone have any experience with a Walther .380?
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I purchased an item on Craigs List from a DEA agent, not a gun. I asked him what he carried on the job. he said a Walther .380 not the old PPK. He said it was reliable, highly accurate and easy to conceal. I looked at the reviews from purchasers from several sites and most were bad, people did not recommend them. Anyone have any experience with a Walther .380?
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Hmm, might have been this?

Gun Review: Walther PK380: Guns.com finds the Good, Bad and Ugly about it - Guns.com

My personal preference is not to use .380's as a primary weapon. That's me though, lots of people carry them and they are happy.

I do have nothing but praise for the Walther PPS in 9mm.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I purchased an item on Craigs List from a DEA agent, not a gun. I asked him what he carried on the job. he said a Walther .380 not the old PPK. He said it was reliable, highly accurate and easy to conceal. I looked at the reviews from purchasers from several sites and most were bad, people did not recommend them. Anyone have any experience with a Walther .380?
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The Pk380 is a sweet piece. Feels great in the hand. A good alternative is the Bersa BP9cc. Might wanna give that a look.
 
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.380 isn't ideal, but, I would say that the round has improved greatly in the last several years.

So many of the small .380s make it easier for me to carry in clothes that typically aren't conducive to concealment.
 
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WallyBalls said:
.380 isn't ideal, but, I would say that the round has improved greatly in the last several years.

So many of the small .380s make it easier for me to carry in clothes that typically aren't conducive to concealment.
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I love how a lot of people are against carrying a .380. Unless you're trying to take down Hulk, a .380 will get the job done.
 
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VolAllen said:
I love how a lot of people are against carrying a .380. Unless you're trying to take down Hulk, a .380 will get the job done.
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I don't know any sane person that wants to stand in front of a .380 (or .25, or .22) but ruminate on this per GSW expert Dr Gary Roberts.

Many small, easily concealed semi-automatic pistols which are recommended for law enforcement backup or concealed carry use fire .380 ACP or smaller bullets. While these small caliber handgun bullets can produce fatal wounds, they are less likely to produce the rapid incapacitation necessary in law enforcement or self-defense situations.

Handguns chambered in .380 ACP are small, compact, and generally easy to carry. Unfortunately, testing has shown that they offer inadequate performance for self-defense and for law enforcement use whether on duty as a back-up weapon or for off duty carry. The terminal performance of .380 ACP JHP’s is often erratic, with inadequate penetration and inconsistent expansion being common problems, while .380 ACP FMJ’s offer adequate penetration, but no expansion. All of the .380 ACP JHP loads we have tested, including CorBon, Hornady, Federal, Remington, Speer, and Winchester exhibited inconsistent, unacceptable terminal performance for law enforcement back-up and off duty self-defense use due to inadequate penetration or inadequate expansion. Stick with FMJ for .380 ACP or better yet, don’t use it at all. The use of .380 ACP and smaller caliber weapons is really not acceptable for law enforcement use and most savvy agencies prohibit them. While both the .380 ACP and .38 spl can obviously be lethal; the .38 spl is more likely to incapacitate an attacker when used in a BUG role.
- See more at: Is the .380 ACP an Adequate Caliber for Defensive Use? | Active Response Training

Mind you with the above it still comes down to if what you're most comfortable carrying...if it's a .380 then so be it.
 
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I don't want to get into the typical internet caliber pecker measuring contest (this thread not having that is one reason this thread is great), but I think searching for "rapid incapacitation" starts down the slippery slope of being concerned about PCP enraged zombies or some guy wearing 3 layers of Carhartt.

I see his point about JHP vs. FMJ rounds for .380, but a lot of the ballistics tests I've seen are favorable.

Ultimately, like you said, it comes down to what you are comfortable with. I usually prefer 9mm, but a couple of my .380s let me carry in scrubs or gym clothes.
 
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WallyBalls said:
I don't want to get into the typical internet caliber pecker measuring contest (this thread not having that is one reason this thread is great), but I think searching for "rapid incapacitation" starts down the slippery slope of being concerned about PCP enraged zombies or some guy wearing 3 layers of Carhartt.

I see his point about JHP vs. FMJ rounds for .380, but a lot of the ballistics tests I've seen are favorable.

Ultimately, like you said, it comes down to what you are comfortable with. I usually prefer 9mm, but a couple of my .380s let me carry in scrubs or gym clothes.
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Well, I think the observation is there's essentially no argument that the more "standard" service calibers aren't empirically, demonstrably better. To what degree and all that jazz can be argued forever and frankly need only satisfy the person doing the carrying. I'll stick to my standard disclaimer, "I think the .380 marginal considering the availability of other calibers but it still beats the hell out of nothing."

And :yes: to the boldened. If you can't/won't carry it what's the point?
 
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Dr. Roberts article was an interesting read. Clearly written toward the BUG needs of law enforcement IMO. I agree with Wally and 609 points - having a gun and being comfortable with it are the primary things that matter. I practice with FMJ and carry JHP. If threatened I want the attacker to go down and not depend on the perfect shot(s).

I still use my DB 380 some because of the leather pocket shot holster makes for an easy carry in about any pants pocket. It's reasonably accurate, but has jammed occasionally at the range due to the brand of ammo. Federal just would not work well. My new Ruger LC9s is much better in every aspect with no issues. Haven't decided on the holster yet for it. May go with a pocket or a paddle depending on situation.
 
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Vols4us said:
My new Ruger LC9s is much better in every aspect with no issues. Haven't decided on the holster yet for it. May go with a pocket or a paddle depending on situation.
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A Nemesis is less than $20 and works fine. (or has for me and others I know) At that price you could get one of those and a nice paddle and have both bases covered.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
I would prefer a larger round, but it's all what you feel comfortable with. Thought about picking up a .380 and an ankle holster for a boot gun.
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Thank you. I may go with the M&P 9mm compact instead then.

My reasoning for the .380 was it would be easy for my wife and I to share and just keep it in our car that we share for work. She is a nurse who works nights, and I am in sales and travel to sketchy places. Just a gun we both could use that we left in the vehicle. She can't carry into the hospital and most of my customers don't allow guns in their buildings.
 
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