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Oh, almost forgot, I got response back from the ATF. They simply ask me to send a list of the SBR uppers that I plan on using with the stamped lower. I can mail it or fax it. Pretty easy.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Grand, never did get your thoughts on the 458SOCOM in SBR configuration. One concern based on the previous poster's comments is the wear and tear on the lower. I wouldn't want to bust up my Stamped SBR lower. Is that a concern? My other concerns, pointers?
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I'll reply later.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
My goodness you've been slacking lately. :)
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Apparently, he thought he had a shot at the SoS job when Tillerson got canned. Blowing up the White House email inbox with all of the reasons why he was the right choice.

Including his planned initial statement to Kim Jong Un: "Nonsense, by all means...move."

Not that it would have been a bad choice, but velvet gloves and GV are not two things that you associate with one another.....

:)
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Apparently, he thought he had a shot at the SoS job when Tillerson got canned. Blowing up the White House email inbox with all of the reasons why he was the right choice.

Including his planned initial statement to Kim Jong Un: "Nonsense, by all means...move."

Not that it would have been a bad choice, but velvet gloves and GV are not two things that you associate with one another.....

:)
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GV would appreciate you not using his name and blowing up Whitehouse in the same sentence. :)
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Thanks for your input. I appreciate all the pointers I get from members on here. Hopefully I can return the favor sometime. Your friends must have been wealthy. AT $2.00 per round I doubt I'll be stressing my lower very much. :)
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They reload so that makes it not as bad. I’ve never asked what the cost per round is to them.

They do have a rather large farm. The pigs are pretty bad around here. They hunt several nights a week out of necessity to keep the pigs from destroying their crops.

I put about a dozen rounds through one of those sob’s one night. Two days later I had an F/TR match. I scored the worst I’ve shot in years. Thinking about the recoil from that damn thing had me flinching and doing all kinds of bad things. :) take that with a grain of salt because like I said, I don’t like big recoiling guns.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Grand, never did get your thoughts on the 458SOCOM in SBR configuration. One concern based on the previous poster's comments is the wear and tear on the lower. I wouldn't want to bust up my Stamped SBR lower. Is that a concern? My other concerns, pointers?
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From what I've seen (I have a break in the work thingy), the .458 works great from a 10.5-16 inch, carbine length gas system. Apparently, you only lose like 150 FPS going from a 16 to a 10.5, so, you aren't looking at a huge loss in performance.

Having said that to say this, I'd probably split the different with a 12 inch barrel from Tromix. Still get that SBR feel to it, but a slightly heftier barrel to eat up the vibrations that will rattle the innards of your lower.

Also, check into an H2 buffer and Springco "Red" as the buffer/spring combo. In fact, you could probably run a Springco "Blue" with an H2 and it work just fine. I've seen a lot of debate over running "factory" springs and buffers but you can always run your normal 5.56 on a "Blue" and H2 without any regrets. (I run mine that way) However, you can call Springco and ask about it. They specifically list the "Red" as the one for the .458 though.

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Yes, the Tromix muzzle brake is a good choice as well. Momma Thump can use that kinda thing.

As for wear and tear, I doubt you're going to break the lower itself. At most, you are looking at wear and tear on the action spring and maybe (MAYBE) the hammer. But it's not cycling fast or hard enough to cause significant harm unless you are just blasting ammo to waste ammo. Heavier barrel eats up more recoil than you might think.
 
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txbo said:
They reload so that makes it not as bad. I’ve never asked what the cost per round is to them.

They do have a rather large farm. The pigs are pretty bad around here. They hunt several nights a week out of necessity to keep the pigs from destroying their crops.

I put about a dozen rounds through one of those sob’s one night. Two days later I had an F/TR match. I scored the worst I’ve shot in years. Thinking about the recoil from that damn thing had me flinching and doing all kinds of bad things. :) take that with a grain of salt because like I said, I don’t like big recoiling guns.
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Not too afraid of the recoil, I'm a pretty big guy. $2.00 a round scares me a bit. Just won't be able to shoot much. Thanks for your help. :hi:
 
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Grand Vol said:
From what I've seen (I have a break in the work thingy), the .458 works great from a 10.5-16 inch, carbine length gas system. Apparently, you only lose like 150 FPS going from a 16 to a 10.5, so, you aren't looking at a huge loss in performance.

Having said that to say this, I'd probably split the different with a 12 inch barrel from Tromix. Still get that SBR feel to it, but a slightly heftier barrel to eat up the vibrations that will rattle the innards of your lower.

Also, check into an H2 buffer and Springco "Red" as the buffer/spring combo. In fact, you could probably run a Springco "Blue" with an H2 and it work just fine. I've seen a lot of debate over running "factory" springs and buffers but you can always run your normal 5.56 on a "Blue" and H2 without any regrets. (I run mine that way) However, you can call Springco and ask about it. They specifically list the "Red" as the one for the .458 though.

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Yes, the Tromix muzzle brake is a good choice as well. Momma Thump can use that kinda thing.

As for wear and tear, I doubt you're going to break the lower itself. At most, you are looking at wear and tear on the action spring and maybe (MAYBE) the hammer. But it's not cycling fast or hard enough to cause significant harm unless you are just blasting ammo to waste ammo. Heavier barrel eats up more recoil than you might think.
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Thanks, Grand. I'll keep you informed. Not sure if you saw my post where the ATF emailed me back and said any SBR upper was good to go. They just want a letter stating what I'm going to have.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Not too afraid of the recoil, I'm a pretty big guy. $2.00 a round scares me a bit. Just won't be able to shoot much. Thanks for your help. :hi:
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That’s just it. Of the people that I know that have them, most sit in the safe most of the time and actually get shot very little.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Thanks, Grand. I'll keep you informed. Not sure if you saw my post where the ATF emailed me back and said any SBR upper was good to go. They just want a letter stating what I'm going to have.
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Yep. Read that. And honestly it's better to hear that from the horse's mouth rather than tell someone "well, I read it on the internet."
 
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Okay, GV...here we go again. So now I'm thinking shotgun. Home defense. Pump. Based on past experience (We carry the Remington 870, and I used to own a Mossberg 500 ATP), I'm leaning Mossberg. I like the safety on the top, and the "hollow" shell carrier.

So...I am leaning towards the 590A1 Class III. Model #51681.

And yes, I'd like your thoughts.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Okay, GV...here we go again. So now I'm thinking shotgun. Home defense. Pump. Based on past experience (We carry the Remington 870, and I used to own a Mossberg 500 ATP), I'm leaning Mossberg. I like the safety on the top, and the "hollow" shell carrier.

So...I am leaning towards the 590A1 Class III. Model #51681.

And yes, I'd like your thoughts.
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Does it have a rail to hang the nuts from?
 
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txbo said:
That’s just it. Of the people that I know that have them, most sit in the safe most of the time and actually get shot very little.
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It would be novelty gun for me and use for hunting. They have some decent home defense rounds too.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Okay, GV...here we go again. So now I'm thinking shotgun. Home defense. Pump. Based on past experience (We carry the Remington 870, and I used to own a Mossberg 500 ATP), I'm leaning Mossberg. I like the safety on the top, and the "hollow" shell carrier.

So...I am leaning towards the 590A1 Class III. Model #51681.

And yes, I'd like your thoughts.
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On the road at the moment, hence the short, quippy response.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Okay, GV...here we go again. So now I'm thinking shotgun. Home defense. Pump. Based on past experience (We carry the Remington 870, and I used to own a Mossberg 500 ATP), I'm leaning Mossberg. I like the safety on the top, and the "hollow" shell carrier.

So...I am leaning towards the 590A1 Class III. Model #51681.

And yes, I'd like your thoughts.
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I'll say this up front, being that they no longer produce my favorite pump shotty of all time (Winchester Model 1300), I almost despise talking over the subject. Yes, I'm fully aware FN makes a pump on the Winchester pattern...anyway.

Now, having said that to say this. Flip a coin between a Mossberg 500 series and a Remington 870. If you're more familiar and comfortable with the Mossy, by all means, go with the Mossberg.

Having said...that...to say...this and...furthermore.

You have a long gun perfectly capable and actually far better for home defense than a shotgun. Contrary to popular belief, shotguns are not a "point and click" device. They are like any other firearm in that they require precise application to be effective. And when you shorten the barrel like that Mossy, you have to be even more precise. Especially when using defensive loads like buck and slug. Shotguns aren't as awesome for home defense despite the internet myths to the contrary.

Now the AR, on the other hand, makes a fine home defense weapon. Handy, light, good ammo capacity, accurate, excellent round selection and the ballistic advantages are obvious. Read up on the subject of the 5.56 in CQB situations. There's a reason most tactical teams have moved away from the 9mm sub guns to 5.56 carbines. Basically, you're far safer with your AR indoors than with a pistol or a shotgun. If you're still concerned with penetration, I'd suggest something like the Hornady 55 grain V-Max. Plenty enough for up close, but will fragment once hitting a wall in case of a miss.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll say this up front, being that they no longer produce my favorite pump shotty of all time (Winchester Model 1300), I almost despise talking over the subject. Yes, I'm fully aware FN makes a pump on the Winchester pattern...anyway.

Now, having said that to say this. Flip a coin between a Mossberg 500 series and a Remington 870. If you're more familiar and comfortable with the Mossy, by all means, go with the Mossberg.

Having said...that...to say...this and...furthermore.

You have a long gun perfectly capable and actually far better for home defense than a shotgun. Contrary to popular belief, shotguns are not a "point and click" device. They are like any other firearm in that they require precise application to be effective. And when you shorten the barrel like that Mossy, you have to be even more precise. Especially when using defensive loads like buck and slug. Shotguns aren't as awesome for home defense despite the internet myths to the contrary.

Now the AR, on the other hand, makes a fine home defense weapon. Handy, light, good ammo capacity, accurate, excellent round selection and the ballistic advantages are obvious. Read up on the subject of the 5.56 in CQB situations. There's a reason most tactical teams have moved away from the 9mm sub guns to 5.56 carbines. Basically, you're far safer with your AR indoors than with a pistol or a shotgun. If you're still concerned with penetration, I'd suggest something like the Hornady 55 grain V-Max. Plenty enough for up close, but will fragment once hitting a wall in case of a miss.
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And there you go. You just saved me roughly $650, not counting ammo...and you know how I love my ammo.

:salute:

EDIT: I have a mag of 55gr TAP in the gun for "in-house". Is that okay? As you know, I'm on the XM556SBCT 62gr JSP...as you suggested...for duty use.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
And there you go. You just saved me roughly $650, not counting ammo...and you know how I love my ammo.

:salute:

EDIT: I have a mag of 55gr TAP in the gun for "in-house". Is that okay? As you know, I'm on the XM556SBCT 62gr JSP...as you suggested...for duty use.
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TAP is perfectly fine. It's more or less V-MAX, though I think with a slightly heavier jacket if memory serves.

Plus, it's far easier to get Mrs. GW to learn to use your AR than it is for a shorty shotgun.
 
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