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hndog609 said:
If you shopped judiciously and bought in bulk that's not impossible. I just priced primer/bullet/powder at 19c on Midway.

Also double check that price on dies. Midway has 300 BO dies for around $50.
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You selling any 223? Seriously though, what is the startup cost for the equipment?
 
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#5,502
hndog609 said:
If you shopped judiciously and bought in bulk that's not impossible. I just priced primer/bullet/powder at 19c on Midway.

Also double check that price on dies. Midway has 300 BO dies for around $50.
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He mentioned the cheaper dies but said something about carbide dies. And then something about a powder hopper?

On the reloading. He found 5000 55grain 223 for $384 I think. Powder runs about $30/pound. From what i reseached a pound is about 7000 grains. Most loads are 25 grains/ load. Primers are about .03?

Is my math right?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He mentioned the cheaper dies but said something about carbide dies. And then something about a powder hopper?

On the reloading. He found 5000 55grain 223 for $384 I think. Powder runs about $30/pound. From what i reseached a pound is about 7000 grains. Most loads are 25 grains/ load. Primers are about .03?

Is my math right?
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I’ll give you a few items that many new to reloading don’t factor in.
1) Hazardous material fee for shipping primers and powder.
2) Shipping costs due to weight of bulk projectiles.
I usually got together with others in a group buy to purchase a pallet or truck load but be prepared for large outlays.
3) supplies for cleaning brass
4) supplies for lubing brass
5) supplies for sizing brass
6) measurement tools for components and final product

I generally won’t shoot ammo reloaded from somebody else simply because I don’t trust them. There are very few exceptions. However, if you trust him, give him $150 for 1000 rounds and see how they do. Remember, brass does not have an infinite life before it has to be tossed. It also has to be resized correctly to be safe.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He mentioned the cheaper dies but said something about carbide dies. And then something about a powder hopper?

On the reloading. He found 5000 55grain 223 for $384 I think. Powder runs about $30/pound. From what i reseached a pound is about 7000 grains. Most loads are 25 grains/ load. Primers are about .03?

Is my math right?
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Ah, if we're including various things other than dies then the cost would obviously be different. I'm contemplating an SBR in 300BO so if I go there my knowledge on that will go up. :)

All my pistol reloading is done with carbide dies and they aren't that expensive. The point of carbide is you don't have to lube the cases when resizing. Now Dillon (good stuff but expensive) does have a carbide die set for the 300BO but being for rifles even they still require lube per Dillon so I'm a little dubious of cost increase. (at any rate those dies are available for $200 on Amazon)

So at 384/5000 let's call it 8c per bullet. Primers at 3c. Powder is a big variable since prices vary with type, how much you buy and what you can find on sale. Midway currently has Ramshot TAC (a very good 223 powder for 55gr btw) for $23lb. That's 8c per 25gr load. Using fired (free) brass that's 19c per round.

For pure economics that's 10c per shot less than about as low as you're going to find for factory loaded ammo. Is that worth it? That's entirely predicated on how much you shoot.

Personally I don't reload much for plinking volume. I got into reloading to save money on more expensive cartridges. For instance the stone dead cheapest load listed for 7mm Mag on Midway right now is $24 a box. I can load those, with better bullets mind you, for $12 a box. That adds up pretty fast.
 
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Thanks to both of you guys. I've never done it. My brother has been loading 9mm and 380 for a while. He's just now upgraded to this other machine that sort if does everything. I think he said it was a progressive machine. I hadn't factored in the shipping cost but I looked at various powders and they all seemed to be in the $30 range for a pound. All the loads I saw were about 25 grains for 556. I sort of extrapolated out the cost of powder from that. He's not going to sell me ammo for a profit. We're just going in together. I trust he knows what he's doing.

As to the dies. He said he could get the carbide dies for $150-$200 for the 300B/O. Then he started talking about a couple of more items that took it up towards $300. Not sure what those were.

If you're going to do an SBR, I would make sure I did a multi-cal lower. The stamp goes with the lower so you can use different short uppers. That's what I did. I'm waiting for my stamp on my suppressor so I'll have a nifty little 300b/o sbr with a suppressor on it. Can't wait to see how quiet it shoots with subsonic ammo in it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Thanks to both of you guys. I've never done it. My brother has been loading 9mm and 380 for a while. He's just now upgraded to this other machine that sort if dies everything. I think he said it was a progressive machine. I hadn't factored in the shipping cost but I looked at various powders and they all seemed to be in the $30 range for a pound. All the loads I saw were about 25 grains for 556. I sort of extrapolated out the cost of powder from that. He's not going to sell me ammo for a profit. We're just going in together. I trust he knows what he's doing.

As to the dies. He said he could get the carbide dies for $150-$200 for the 300B/O. The he started talking about a couple of more items that took it up. Not sure what those were.

If you're going to do an SBR, I would make sure I did a multi-cal lower. The stamp goes with the lower so you can use different short uppers. That's what I did. I'm waiting for my stamp on my suppressor so I'll have a nifty little 300b/o sbr with a suppressor on it. Can't wait to see how quiet it shoots with subsonic ammo in it.
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LOL! See, I'll probably be asking YOU about stuff before long. Actually now - did you do your paperwork personally or through a trust?
 
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hndog609 said:
LOL! See, I'll probably be asking YOU about stuff before long. Actually now - did you do your paperwork personally or through a trust?
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I had a dealer here local that set up a trust for me when I did the SBR. They are handling the suppressor too through Silencer shop. Remember, after you get your SBR stamp you have to have the lower receiver engraved. They handled that for me too. I got started with them because they offer a $20 transfer, $10 for the background check and $10 for the transfer. If you do multiple, it only goes up by $10 so you could do 2 for $30, 3 for $40 ect.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I had a dealer here local that set up a trust for me when I did the SBR. They are handling the suppressor too through Silencer shop. Remember, after you get your SBR stamp you have to have the lower receiver engraved. They handled that for me too. I got started with them because they offer a $20 transfer, $10 for the background check and $10 for the transfer. If you do multiple, it only goes up by $10 so you could do 2 for $30, 3 for $40 ect.
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Hmmm. I'm sure more than one place might do that but what's the name of this shop? (if you don't mind me asking)
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Are you in Knoxville or surrounding area?
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Yep. And nice little rifle.

I didn't have any great interest in the 300BO 'til a friend brought one out with a can and man was that fun. He builds his own uppers so if I decide to go that route I'll likely commission one from him.
 
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hndog609 said:
Yep. And nice little rifle.

I didn't have any great interest in the 300BO 'til a friend brought one out with a can and man was that fun. He builds his own uppers so if I decide to go that route I'll likely commission one from him.
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Nothing like turning an AR into a .30-30 lol
 
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Grand Vol said:
Just FYI, the 5.56 cans (the ones with the bandoliers) are the same size as the .50 cal cans.
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Never saw them side by side but how does that work? Are the bandolier .223 cans different than the belt feeding .30 cans?

Edit: ok nm. Missed the referenced round and on edit I get it. The bandolier cans already have the .223 rounds in mags so yeah I got it now thx.
 
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#5,518
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Anybody looking for a red dot? My astigmatism makes the dot look like an uneven splatter of paint, so it's not much use to me. Holosun 403GL
 
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hndog609 said:
Yep.
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OK, the shop is called Fighting SHeep Dog. Their address will show Edgemore Road in Powell but they've moved this week to Oliver Springs. I have had issues with them, especially over this suppressor. I paid for the suppressor, in full, in cash in August of 2016. They had to order the suppressor and was told it would take a month, it took three. Then I did everything they asked me to do. Paid for the stamp. Stopped by several times to make sure we were good to go. After a year I still didn't have it so I again stopped by. She again said everything was good to go and we should hear any time. Something felt off to me so I call Silencer Shop. They told me nothing had been submitted. I went back and she said she'd check. Finger pointing everywhere. I still don't have it but I have gotten confirmation that it is in the hands of the ATF now. Hopefully not too much longer.

Moral of the story. They are good for the transfers. I've heard their gunsmithing is good and they do the cerakoting. They good with my trust and my SBR application and submittal. I would just be cautious and stay on them.
 
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