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T Vols 21 said:
Wow thanks for the info! So you recommend me selling it on on of those two sites ? I might just keep it since it is so old. Im also selling a taurus millennium pro if you know anyone interested..
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Armslist is my preference for selling third party.

Don't take it to a pawn shop or gun store. You won't get a good price.
 
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GV, I'd like your opinion on something...

I have a Colt AR-6721. Pure defensive weapon, and I carry it when I work with my old S.O. (part-time now). Some time back, I shot one of the AR "shorty's" (10.5" barrel) that our SRT team carries. They use AimPoint holographic sights. With that weapon, it was "point & squeeze" out to 100 yds. I was amazed at how easy it was to put ROT.

Mine is much more accurate, I would think, due to the longer barrel and the HBAR.

If (a) money was no object, and (b) best bang for the buck, what would you put on my rifle? I have talked to everyone I know, and there's no solid consensus. Likewise with the plethora of AR sites out there in the Matrix. I have a cheap one on the rifle now, and I'm zeroed at 50 yards, which gives me a 2 inch hold under for 100 yards, if the book numbers and my test shots are to be believed.

I'd like to hear your opinion, bearing in mind that it could be a broad daylight active shooter, or a low-light inside a single-wide scenario. I know there's no one size fits all, but I need the best fit for my needs.

Thanks.
GW
 
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T Vols 21 said:
Whats the difference between arms list and gun broker? He also left me a browning 995 9mm rifle. Is that worth keeping?
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Armslist is regional and area specific. Like, if you just wanted to look for a certain item in like Nashville, you can set the parameters to that. Or all of Tennessee. You can screen for just private party or businesses or whatever.

Gunbroker is more of a national level deal and quite honestly had a whole lot of chaff to wheat ratio.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
GV, I'd like your opinion on something...

I have a Colt AR-6721. Pure defensive weapon, and I carry it when I work with my old S.O. (part-time now). Some time back, I shot one of the AR "shorty's" (10.5" barrel) that our SRT team carries. They use AimPoint holographic sights. With that weapon, it was "point & squeeze" out to 100 yds. I was amazed at how easy it was to put ROT.

Mine is much more accurate, I would think, due to the longer barrel and the HBAR.

If (a) money was no object, and (b) best bang for the buck, what would you put on my rifle? I have talked to everyone I know, and there's no solid consensus. Likewise with the plethora of AR sites out there in the Matrix. I have a cheap one on the rifle now, and I'm zeroed at 50 yards, which gives me a 2 inch hold under for 100 yards, if the book numbers and my test shots are to be believed.

I'd like to hear your opinion, bearing in mind that it could be a broad daylight active shooter, or a low-light inside a single-wide scenario. I know there's no one size fits all, but I need the best fit for my needs.

Thanks.
GW
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Sights are almost always user preference. I've used a bunch of different ones and have a bunch of different ones at the moment. Aimpoint Comp M2, Aimpoint Micro H1, EOTech 512, 551 and 553, played around with an ACOG, recommended the Vortex Sparc and played with it a bit. It eventually comes down to personal preference. I prefer the EOTech myself as I love the 68 MOA circle for up close and center dot for precision. But then again, I love the Aimpoint Micro because it's compact and hardly adds anything weight wise.

If I was to have to choose a single site, I'd likely go with an EOTech EXPS 3 since it would have common batteries with my light. It typically comes down to weight and personal preference. Don't get trapped in adding that 3X magnifier though. You can shoot just fine out to 300 yards without it with any red dot or holo sight. It's not useless, just of questionable use on a patrol rifle where weight might be a concern.

If I had to set up a patrol rifle for any PD/SO out there, I'd toss on a non-magnified Aimpoint Micro or EOTech EXPS3, Magpul MOE M-LOK handguards, a weapon light of at least 300 lumens (Surefire Scout or Inforce), 2 point sling, Magpul M3 mags (pick the color), and burn the standard stock with gasoline before replacing it with either a B5 SOPMOD, Bravo Company Gunfighter Mod 0 or Magpul CTR, user preference on that.

And likely give user preference on the grip as well, but that's way, way, way subjective.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If I had to set up a patrol rifle for any PD/SO out there, I'd toss on a non-magnified Aimpoint Micro or EOTech EXPS3, Magpul MOE M-LOK handguards, a weapon light of at least 300 lumens (Surefire Scout or Inforce), 2 point sling, Magpul M3 mags (pick the color), and burn the standard stock with gasoline before replacing it with either a B5 SOPMOD, Bravo Company Gunfighter Mod 0 or Magpul CTR, user preference on that..
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Appreciate the info. I'll look at the recommended sights. As for a light, I was told to never bolt anything on to the rifle that might get hung up when trying to deploy it quickly, although our Tac guys do use them. I have the sling, and the mags. I bought out the Gander Mountain at Turkey Creek the day before they stopped honoring gift cards. Comfortable with the clunky collapsible stock, but will look anyway.

Again, thanks.
 
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Anyone use Allen Gear holsters? Just ordered an IWB Cloak 3.0 for my concealed carry
 
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T Vols 21 said:
Whats the difference between arms list and gun broker? He also left me a browning 995 9mm rifle. Is that worth keeping?
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GunBroker is eBay for guns. Auction style, wide audience, top dollar.

Armslist is craigslist for guns. Post a price you want and see if someone bites. If you don't want hassle it's a decent way to do it. There's also lots of scams like fake guns and sham buyers. Some people swear by it, some people never touch it.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Appreciate the info. I'll look at the recommended sights. As for a light, I was told to never bolt anything on to the rifle that might get hung up when trying to deploy it quickly, although our Tac guys do use them.
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Trust me, most people that shoot guns for a living and are the "accepted" names say a light is critical equipment. You can live without a fore grip, a bling-bling stock, a magnifier and all the other tactical ninja bells and whistles, but a light is pretty much "mandatory" for a patrol rifle.

Think of it this way, you can go from daylight to total darkness in the blink of an eye chasing a perp into an empty warehouse. You aren't a cat, so your eyes won't adjust that quickly. A light gives you the advantage especially if bright enough to temporary blind said perp.

Enhanced optical sight, white light, two point sling are critical IMO and the opinion of others. That whole "it'll snag!" thing is one of those old hats talking that also think you have to have the damn thing clean enough to eat off of.

GreyWolf1129 said:
. Comfortable with the clunky collapsible stock.
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That's because you might never have used a B5 or CTR lol.

Just once and you'll ask yourself why it wasn't designed that way in the first place.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Trust me, most people that shoot guns for a living and are the "accepted" names say a light is critical equipment. You can live without a fore grip, a bling-bling stock, a magnifier and all the other tactical ninja bells and whistles, but a light is pretty much "mandatory" for a patrol rifle.

Think of it this way, you can go from daylight to total darkness in the blink of an eye chasing a perp into an empty warehouse. You aren't a cat, so your eyes won't adjust that quickly. A light gives you the advantage especially if bright enough to temporary blind said perp.

Enhanced optical sight, white light, two point sling are critical IMO and the opinion of others. That whole "it'll snag!" thing is one of those old hats talking that also think you have to have the damn thing clean enough to eat off of.



That's because you might never have used a B5 or CTR lol.

Just once and you'll ask yourself why it wasn't designed that way in the first place.
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light also lets them know where you are.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Works both ways. The old urban legend is someone will shoot at the light.

Well, they'll shoot at you in the dark too.
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a little less easy to find if you aren't silhouetting yourself. also removes any ability for your eyes to ever adjust properly. better hope your one beam of light finds them before they see your light from any direction.
 
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LouderVol said:
a little less easy to find if you aren't silhouetting yourself. also removes any ability for your eyes to ever adjust properly. better hope your one beam of light finds them before they see your light from any direction.
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If it's a good light, you'll be in the light well and won't necessarily be silhouetted. It's about the beam focus specifically which is why Surefire and Insight are highly recommended.
 
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If you're going to be shooting close quarters you need a light. You need to know who or what you're shooting at. Forget giving yourself away, without a light the first muzzle flash is going to blind you anyways.

I put a fiber optic sight on my shotgun that I can pick up in the dark. Otherwise aiming in the dark is a guessing game.
 
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Only put things that solve problems for you on your carbine. I cannot agree with GV enough on this, a good quality light (preferably surefire with a min of 600 lumens) solves the problem of darkness. Most violent encounters happen in low light situations. Logic dictates a light needs to be a tool in your toolbox. Understand how to use the light and seek out training on low light carbine use.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Only put things that solve problems for you on your carbine. I cannot agree with GV enough on this, a good quality light (preferably surefire with a min of 600 lumens) solves the problem of darkness. Most violent encounters happen in low light situations. Logic dictates a light needs to be a tool in your toolbox. Understand how to use the light and seek out training on low light carbine use.
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You gotta remember Louder is one of those types that loves MBRs and ancient 7.62 rifles and whatnot.

He's a weirdo like those folks that like M14 pattern rifles and whatnot.
 
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not a fan of the magazine on those. it looks so dang out of place.

an M1 with the clip? yeah that's more like it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Told you, Louder. Someone would be along shortly.
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What do you know about Fulton armory's AR rifles? I'm looking at what they call the "legacy" rifle. Basically it's a clone of the Colt sp1 with a 1/8 twist barrel. I know they make good m14's, but I'm clueless about their AR rifles and there doesn't seem to be much out there about them.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-7-2.aspx

For the record, I've went totally with the AR platform. I still have my m1 and m14 but they are range toys now.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
What do you know about Fulton armory's AR rifles? I'm looking at what they call the "legacy" rifle. Basically it's a clone of the Colt sp1 with a 1/8 twist barrel. I know they make good m14's, but I'm clueless about their AR rifles and there doesn't seem to be much out there about them.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-7-2.aspx

For the record, I've went totally with the AR platform. I still have my m1 and m14 but they are range toys now.
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Interesting. Looks like they've used a bunch of USGI surplus items with new build stuff to create a replica. Kind of like what Springfield did with the M1A series back in the day or JLD Enterprises did with the PTR-91 when it first started.

Still not an entirely accurate replica as the barrel is not the correct twist (should be 1/12) and I'm curious whether the front sight base is an F marked or not. Take that accuwedge out too, the thing's supposed to rattle a bit.

Anyway, interesting. I actually carried a four digit M16 at one point in my career. One of the first batch ever bought by the USAF.
 
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And DTH, I personally wouldn't buy it (nostalgia pieces aren't really my thing) but I could see a collector maybe picking one up for that purpose. To me, it's kind of a "well, that's neat and takes me back a few years" thing, but not really something I'd drop a grand on.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Interesting. Looks like they've used a bunch of USGI surplus items with new build stuff to create a replica. Kind of like what Springfield did with the M1A series back in the day or JLD Enterprises did with the PTR-91 when it first started.

Still not an entirely accurate replica as the barrel is not the correct twist (should be 1/12) and I'm curious whether the front sight base is an F marked or not. Take that accuwedge out too, the thing's supposed to rattle a bit.

Anyway, interesting. I actually carried a four digit M16 at one point in my career. One of the first batch ever bought by the USAF.
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Yep, the lower receiver is actually an A2 as well. Being exact doesn't really matter to me as this will basically be a training rifle. I like the thought of the 1/8 twist instead of the colts 1/12 because I have a ton of 62 grain ammo. I'd probably be better off getting the FA because I'd just put unnecessary wear and tear on the Colt when they are really investment pieces. I just don't know a lot about FA's quality on their AR builds.

I had watched the guys over at inrangetv on YouTube and they had an interesting project, 'what would Stoner do 2017' basically what would he have designed today, using modern materials. That got me to thinking, ole Eugene had it pretty much right from the beginning (we won't speak of the bean counters who dicked with the powder in the cartridges) there is simply no need to reinvent the wheel here. Stoner made a lightweight inherently accurate rifle, in an effective cartridge with decent sights to engage targets to at least 300-400 yards in a package that weighs in at 6.5 lbs. Perfect package imo. Thoughts?

Here is their video.

https://youtu.be/vI5NPiicXjE
 
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