The obvious problem to me (semi long)

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Guys, the problem is they are coaching the hands that they were dealt. When they get the deck stacked the way they want, there will be no more excuses.
 
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revjayp said:
I know I bang this drum often but being in the health and wellness industry, it’s what stands out the most to me.

We haven’t had a genuine S&C program in over 10 years and it shows every week. It’s been said that Jones didn’t make them work out at all and all he ever asked them to do was check in from time to time. Lunacy.

Sure, we’ve had some players who value and understand they must get stronger and faster but for the most part, it was never emphasized by Jones or Dooley. Coaches all over the country take 2-3* players and develop them schematically but also physically so that by the time they have been in their program 3-4 years they have excelled beyond their initial rating. The NFL is littered with these guys. They had the IQ but needed the development physically to make it. And they did. Not saying you don’t need high rated guys because you absolutely do. But as we’ve witness firsthand with BJ’s recruits, the ratings don’t always tell the whole story. (See Drew Richmond for an example.)

Our boys are slow and weak. Many opponents have called us soft. They’re right. Blame Pruitt, blame Helton even blame the players but if we’re looking at the Bama model, look at what they pay their S&C coach and and measure good teams against that. I promise you theirs a corelation between the 2.
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As an outside observer, it appeared to me that the Vols' DL was gassed by late in the third quarter. However there is only so much a S&C coach can do. Saban addressed this early and often in his first few seasons. His solution was to recruit depth on the DL. Bama has had that depth in spades for several seasons, but not this year. This season the starting front seven is probably playing 80% of the snaps. So far it hasn't been an issue because the offense is off the charts. That could change Saturday night in Baton Rouge. If it is a close game, and Bama needs a stop late in the 4th quarter, then we'll see if depth is an issue for them as well.
 
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Tennessee does not have the players. They have not had the time to develop the one's they have. It takes 2 years for strength and conditioning to start showing up. You just don't gain weight or muscle that fast. Relax
 
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Rooster1 said:
I call BS on all of the highlighted text above. And not ordinary BS, but MASSIVE BS.
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Okay? So you called MASSIVE BS. What’s next? Lol.

This was discussed at length on the Midday 180 here in Middle TN last year towards the end of the season. Butch would give the upperclassmen the choice if they wanted to work out or not. The hosts were furiously discussing how stupid this was and how it was showing up on the field. Prove me wrong and I’ll gladly admit it. I find it hard to believe a D1 coach would adhere to this “philosophy” but with BJ, I believe anything. 👊🏼
 
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BeardedVol said:
You really believe that these guys had zero S&C for three years?

Even, if that were the case, if you gave the average American couch potato the level of nutritional support, and a college football S&C program for 10 months, they'd most likely be capable of competing in a triathalon by the 10 months mark. They might not win it, but they'd complete it decent time.

There's no excuse for the defense to be gassed after 21 minutes of game time in a late October night game. None.
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Bold part, totally made up and unverifiable. Lol. Just messing with ya... Very possible outcome.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
I would vote to do away with all permanent cross-division opponents. All cross-division opponents should be played on a rotating basis. It's the only reasonable way to put all teams on an equal footing within the conference.
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UTs schedule overall is a disadvantage. Very heavy front loaded. Probably will not change.
 
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BeardedVol said:
12 weeks for a triathalon, and about 6 months for a marathon. That's from zero, with dedication; took me about 9 for a marathon cause I'm a slacker.
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Same here. Trained for 3 months for my first half marathon. 5 months for my first full. Sucked the whole way. No idea why I did it other than to say I did. Lol.
 
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revjayp said:
Same here. Trained for 3 months for my first half marathon. 5 months for my first full. Sucked the whole way. No idea why I did it other than to say I did. Lol.
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I actually enjoy halfs and below, but a full was just grueling, and after one I had zero desire to do another.
 
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SD189 said:
No man, you definitely have a loser's mindset.
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The truth is you are a delusional fan from back in the day. I am from back the day too, but I accept the new reality. Playing Bama every single year means we will always suck because they will always beat us and they will always cost us the games we should always win and because of that we will not get good recruits and we will always suck! That makes you part of the problem!
 
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One thing I had been hearing from pundits for weeks as they would give predictions about our schedule was that teams didn't seem to do well in games after facing the physicality of Alabama. Especially linemen. I don't know how much stock to put in that observation. I was disappointed that our front 7 looked more stout against Georgia and Auburn than a South Carolina team that hasn't been that good at running the ball.
 
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Rooster1 said:
"Bet the house on it"
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Did Tennessee cover against USC? Simple yes or no will suffice. After all, my “bet the house” comment was in the thread about the USC being favored by a touchdown.

Are you saying that my bet on Tennessee to cover didn’t win?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Did Tennessee cover against USC? Simple yes or no will suffice. After all, my “bet the house” comment was in the thread about the USC being favored by a touchdown.

Are you saying that my bet on Tennessee to cover didn’t win?
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Yes, IIRC, the line was 8.5 on game day.
 
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46yrvol said:
One thing I had been hearing from pundits for weeks as they would give predictions about our schedule was that teams didn't seem to do well in games after facing the physicality of Alabama. Especially linemen. I don't know how much stock to put in that observation. I was disappointed that our front 7 looked more stout against Georgia and Auburn than a South Carolina team that hasn't been that good at running the ball.
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We’ll know after Sat night. LSU has almost the same depth if not the same. If Bama pushes them around? That’s just a crazy thought.
 
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rusty11 said:
Playing Bama every single year means we will always suck because they will always beat us and they will always cost us the games we should always win and because of that we will not get good recruits and we will always suck!
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Anyone following the Big Orange that really believes that BS needs to give up their colors at the door !
 
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rusty11 said:
The truth is you are a delusional fan from back in the day. I am from back the day too, but I accept the new reality. Playing Bama every single year means we will always suck because they will always beat us and they will always cost us the games we should always win and because of that we will not get good recruits and we will always suck! That makes you part of the problem!
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😂 I'm 32. I think the difference is my mentality vs yours. You are scared to play with the big boys, and I don't believe in hiding from competition. Never was allowed as an athlete and never do as a coach. But hey, some guys just aren't cut out for competition and based on your comments... you fall in that category.
 
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rusty11 said:
The truth is you are a delusional fan from back in the day. I am from back the day too, but I accept the new reality. Playing Bama every single year means we will always suck because they will always beat us and they will always cost us the games we should always win and because of that we will not get good recruits and we will always suck! That makes you part of the problem!
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Your are a weak minded person. Do you just run from all your problems
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Our guys were plenty strong enough to win this game.

CBJ hired a S&C coach from the NFL widely regarded as one of the best. To say there was no emphasis on it is simply more excuse making for the current staff.
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You can hire the best there is but if you don’t make them do the work, half won’t do it.
Maybe that explains why a D Barnett excelled here, he was self motivated, and others never lived up or seemed to get better
 
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GVol1966 said:
You can hire the best there is but if you don’t make them do the work, half won’t do it.
Maybe that explains why a D Barnett excelled here, he was self motivated, and others never lived up or seemed to get better
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Leading/making others want to follow you and your procedures and processes and fight for your ideas are why HC's make millions. Well, that's is supposed to be the reason why...

Good leaders will get the vast majority to buy in from the get go. Leaders in the making... well hopefully they can learn to accentuate the part of their personality that will make others want to follow them. Leading is a skill and can be learned. Some come by it more naturally but all can get there assuming they're willing to change their approach.
 
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revjayp said:
Forget about last nights game. Look at this from the past 3-5 years. Soft. We’ve been consistently destroyed at the LOS.

Also, BJ hired him in what year of his tenure? Year 5. And yes, he was a great hire. But it takes 2 years to see major results. An OLmen isn’t going to gain 20lbs of muscle and put on massive strength in a few months. It hasn’t been an emphasis until Fitz was hired-in year 1.
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So year 5 of CBJ and Year 1 of CJP and we're still not capable?

The problem with our O-line is for the most part missed assignments not a lack of ability.

The D-line? Can't say I'm sure why they struggle so bad. However when a team comes in and runs a two TE to one side set repeatedly and very little obvious adjustments are made I do feel comfortable stating that the S&C coach ain't all to blame. But that's just me. I do expect a lot of out the coaches. Apparently a lot more than many on VN.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Exactly. Many on here thought Rock was the missing piece. Also, Pruitt's S&C coach can very highly regarded.



I just don't understand how all of those recruiting services were so wrong for so many years regarding UT! LOL!
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Nor does anyone else understand this rating of Vol recruiting classes, Vanderbilt has much more talent than Tennessee and had lowly regarded recruiting classes, go figure
 
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