The number 1 reason Butch's time here should end

[jeff1vol]

Butch Jones continues to make the same mistakes in year FIVE that he made in years 1-4.

Play calling on the goal line or in short yardage and in-game time management are the most glaring.

These mistakes cost teams games and great coaches don't make these mistakes.

There is NO evidence whatsoever that he will do anything differently.

Five years is enough evidence. Time for Currie to start creating that "list". Short of winning the East and getting to Atlanta, I just don't see any BENEFIT to keeping Jones on past this year.

If a change is made, maybe the new coach can convince everyone to stay. There is much more talent now than when CBJ took over. We shouldn't have to wait 5 years to "rebuild".

 

[sjt18]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.


In reality, an 8-4 record will probably still save his job. IMO however, his minimum should now be 9 wins. You can't give wins away without making it up somewhere.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.

This was the worst team Florida has put on the field since the 80's

 

[tha truth]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.


In reality, an 8-4 record will probably still save his job. IMO however, his minimum should now be 9 wins. You can't give wins away without making it up somewhere.

He can't and won't.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Florida beat us with nearly the exact same play in 2015. Butch has shown time and time again that he has terrible in-game oversight and rarely makes adjustments.

 

[Volz4lif3]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.

He's coaching now for his job, hopefully we will see that.. I put it this way on his coaching he coaches up tight he plays it conservative beginning of a game then when Tenn gets down he opens it up and Tenn is playing catch up.. I bet on game days if you put a lump of coal up Butch's arse he would be sh!tting out diamonds, I believe he's that tight during game days...

 

[river rat]

LSU won't help win the East. Must win against GA, SC, KY and Vandy. At this point, doesn't seem likely Butch can win them all.

 

[dcnick]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.


In reality, an 8-4 record will probably still save his job. IMO however, his minimum should now be 9 wins. You can't give wins away without making it up somewhere.

he couldn't beat the worst offense florida has had in years, there's no chance against georgia, and I doubt they'll do anything with LSU either

 

[Ertel]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.


In reality, an 8-4 record will probably still save his job. IMO however, his minimum should now be 9 wins. You can't give wins away without making it up somewhere.

If you think him beating UGA or LSU locks him in to a 9 win season you are severely overestimating his coaching ability and severely underestimating KY, South Carolina and Vandy. We have 6 games that we very easily could lose based on what we've seen so far this season. Florida was pivotal for establishing some confidence going forward but instead we got a gut wrenching loss that's dividing the fan base and if rumors are true, dividing the locker room as well. Ive been a diehard butch advocate since the day he was hired but its time to make a change and take our lumps. I would really like to see what the rest of the staff could do without him and his micromanaging the rest of the year. Interim tag Shoop, Hoke or Scott and start the search immediately.

 

[jeff1vol]

I don't think we should fire him now. That's not smart, IMO.

On the air now... Ainge is trying to convince everyone that Dormady made a bunch of mistakes, calm down, etc. etc...

I get it. I'm sure he knows better than I about it.

But the question is... WHO is responsible for preparing these guys for these situations?

When was the last time a UT football team has come out and jumped all over an opponent from start to finish? The bowl game last year? We always seem to be working from behind because we are ill prepared at the start of the game. Remember... you have a MONTH to prepare for the bowl game.

I'm willing to suck it up and see how the year ends because I have no choice and I'm a Vol regardless. But I think we all know that a trip to Atlanta is not likely to happen.

 

[dlravol2]

I am for letting him go immediately, he has proved time and again that he can't manage a game. Probably won't happen but Mr Currie should have his coach in waiting at seasons end.

 

[jakez4ut]

Let the season play out.

I despise UF more than any other sports program. Can't stand them. So this loss is very difficult for me to stomach.

That said, there are two more realistic opportunities for Jones to save his job- UGA and LSU. He can't slip on the others but none of those teams look like they should be any kind of threat. If he beats one of those teams then he gets 9 wins and his best record to date at UT with an opportunity for a 10th win in the Bowl.

To get there, he has to get MASSIVE improvement from his young receivers. He needs some young LB's to play lights out. He needs someone to supply DL depth.

In short... he needs to be a coach that deserves the job. That's a pretty fair test I think.


In reality, an 8-4 record will probably still save his job. IMO however, his minimum should now be 9 wins. You can't give wins away without making it up somewhere.

i'm really impressed with you sjt. you've been very level headed....and this was a bad coaching job....and i'd of bet a paycheck that you'd be one of the ones leading the charge to hire the moving vans...lol:

but logically, you're right.

it's just yet another game to put in his ledger that falls under "shoulda/coulda/woulda".

it is who he is. so while, logically i agree with you...my confidence that happens is low. the story just hasn't changed enough 4 1/4 years for me to think the ending won't be the same. and i'd just add that with the way LSU lost the other night...with games still against Ole Miss, Auburn, and Bama...the LSU game may not have the same cache it once did......and there's no guarantee that by then, the story has ended for us too.

i do hope it does. but that's it.

also, you've been pretty fervent in your defense of QD. and i agree, i think it's a mistake to give up on him, i think he has all the tools. that said, i'm not opposed to giving JG a shot just to shake things up and spark something. i don't think plugging him in Saturday would have been the right thing to do. but maybe this weekend, you give him more reps and see how the rest of the offense reacts...see how QD reacts......but i don't think QD is "the reason" the offense has struggled...aside from the RB's, and the O line, i'm not convinced the WR's are where they need to be, and i'm definitely not convinced the coaching has been setting up success.

but in a game like we have this week, it may be permissible to experiment a little, and see how everyone reacts....

 

[FlyFishnVol]

Butch Jones continues to make the same mistakes in year FIVE that he made in years 1-4.

Play calling on the goal line or in short yardage and in-game time management are the most glaring.

These mistakes cost teams games and great coaches don't make these mistakes.

There is NO evidence whatsoever that he will do anything differently.

Five years is enough evidence. Time for Currie to start creating that "list". Short of winning the East and getting to Atlanta, I just don't see any BENEFIT to keeping Jones on past this year.

If a change is made, maybe the new coach can convince everyone to stay. There is much more talent now than when CBJ took over. We shouldn't have to wait 5 years to "rebuild".

The only thing consistent in UT Football is the GLARING REALITY that fans like yourself have wrapped their lives so much around this team that any sign of common sense and logic is completely choked out. You need to look at yourself and really take stocked into how much you are reacting to this team. You act like you have some kind of financial stake in this team, and buying tickets does not give any of us a right to be so critical.

By the way, I've seen worse losses at the swamp with better players (aka Peyton Manning) so, don't act like Butch did something that none of the previous coaches at UT haven't done.

I am not calling you a Negavol, but your emotional connection should really be called into question. I hope your not hard on yourself when making decisions at work, or family......because I would have to ask if you are mentally stable. Is this how you talk to your children and wife when something goes wrong at home? Not calling you a bad person, but you have to put this in a healthy perceptive......there are many fans like you that have completely lost their minds over a sport.

I love UT like anyone else, but geesh........this can't be healthy.

 

[jakez4ut]

This was the worst team Florida has put on the field since the 80's

they went 4-8 just a few years ago. we lost to that team too.

 

[Volz4lif3]

i'm really impressed with you sjt. you've been very level headed....and this was a bad coaching job....and i'd of bet a paycheck that you'd be one of the ones leading the charge to hire the moving vans...lol:

but logically, you're right.

it's just yet another game to put in his ledger that falls under "shoulda/coulda/woulda".

it is who he is. so while, logically i agree with you...my confidence that happens is low. the story just hasn't changed enough 4 1/4 years for me to think the ending won't be the same. and i'd just add that with the way LSU lost the other night...with games still against Ole Miss, Auburn, and Bama...the LSU game may not have the same cache it once did......and there's no guarantee that by then, the story has ended for us too.

i do hope it does. but that's it.

also, you've been pretty fervent in your defense of QD. and i agree, i think it's a mistake to give up on him, i think he has all the tools. that said, i'm not opposed to giving JG a shot just to shake things up and spark something. i don't think plugging him in Saturday would have been the right thing to do. but maybe this weekend, you give him more reps and see how the rest of the offense reacts...see how QD reacts......but i don't think QD is "the reason" the offense has struggled...aside from the RB's, and the O line, i'm not convinced the WR's are where they need to be, and i'm definitely not convinced the coaching has been setting up success.

but in a game like we have this week, it may be permissible to experiment a little, and see how everyone reacts....

I think QD is our QB I think he will be a QB that developes as the season goes on.. but like you said roll the dice start QD and give most of the time to JG and see what he has... I agree let's see what the freshman has.. open the playbook up now and stop playing tight

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I just do not understand how Butch has not managed to come up with a better goal line offense in year five. I truly feel we have the OLINE personnel to knock guys around now. Have the QB under center, run a sneak, or have a TE as a leading blocker for the RB. This offense is pathetic in the redzone.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think QD is our QB I think he will be a QB that developes as the season goes on.. but like you said roll the dice start QD and give most of the time to JG and see what he has... I agree let's see what the freshman has.. open the playbook up now and stop playing tight

i think QD is probably better right now too if i'm being honest. and like i said, i don't think the few struggles we had offensively were necessarily all on him.

i just think this game presents an opportunity to see JG play, and it not cost you.

i wanna be clear...there are much bigger issues than the qb. and i don't think just plugging JG in is going to "solve" the problem.

 

[jakez4ut]

i think the coaches need to do what they said they'd do...and work on doing what the players do best. and with QD and JK....that's probably more under center, play action....more standard running game approach. mix in the RPO's, and motions etc...as you see fit....but we don't run the jut sweep, so why bite on it? and we have big physical WR's, and RB that refuses to be tackled and a QB that actually can drop dimes.

fundamentally, i'm not convinced after what i've seen that this offense can function unless you have a bonafide running threat as the QB. the only players we're getting in to space are the RB's on screens. slot guys are not getting used in space, the outside WR's are possession receivers presently.

it appears to me, that we recruit these guys and try to fit them into a system, instead of the other way around. and it's not working at this level...

jmo. and i'm probably embellishing a little here...so take it with the grain of salt.

 

[volfannbama]

The only thing consistent in UT Football is the GLARING REALITY that fans like yourself have wrapped their lives so much around this team that any sign of common sense and logic is completely choked out. You need to look at yourself and really take stocked into how much you are reacting to this team. You act like you have some kind of financial stake in this team, and buying tickets does not give any of us a right to be so critical.

By the way, I've seen worse losses at the swamp with better players (aka Peyton Manning) so, don't act like Butch did something that none of the previous coaches at UT haven't done.

I am not calling you a Negavol, but your emotional connection should really be called into question. I hope your not hard on yourself when making decisions at work, or family......because I would have to ask if you are mentally stable. Is this how you talk to your children and wife when something goes wrong at home? Not calling you a bad person, but you have to put this in a healthy perceptive......there are many fans like you that have completely lost their minds over a sport.

I love UT like anyone else, but geesh........this can't be healthy.

Youre a pretty smart dude to be able to tell all that about a person based on post on a site meant for people to share their opinions about ut football

 

[Volz4lif3]

i think the coaches need to do what they said they'd do...and work on doing what the players do best. and with QD and JK....that's probably more under center, play action....more standard running game approach. mix in the RPO's, and motions etc...as you see fit....but we don't run the jut sweep, so why bite on it? and we have big physical WR's, and RB that refuses to be tackled and a QB that actually can drop dimes.

fundamentally, i'm not convinced after what i've seen that this offense can function unless you have a bonafide running threat as the QB. the only players we're getting in to space are the RB's on screens. slot guys are not getting used in space, the outside WR's are possession receivers presently.

it appears to me, that we recruit these guys and try to fit them into a system, instead of the other way around. and it's not working at this level...

jmo. and i'm probably embellishing a little here...so take it with the grain of salt.

Agree with ya, play an offense that help QD and the stable of RB's we have thats our strong suits, the oline, QB (I believe)...if the system can suit him QD and the stud RB's I like dormady and see flashes of him being really good..

 

[CountVolcula]

they went 4-8 just a few years ago. we lost to that team too.

Butch is great

 

[jeff1vol]

The only thing consistent in UT Football is the GLARING REALITY that fans like yourself have wrapped their lives so much around this team that any sign of common sense and logic is completely choked out. You need to look at yourself and really take stocked into how much you are reacting to this team. You act like you have some kind of financial stake in this team, and buying tickets does not give any of us a right to be so critical.

By the way, I've seen worse losses at the swamp with better players (aka Peyton Manning) so, don't act like Butch did something that none of the previous coaches at UT haven't done.

I am not calling you a Negavol, but your emotional connection should really be called into question. I hope your not hard on yourself when making decisions at work, or family......because I would have to ask if you are mentally stable. Is this how you talk to your children and wife when something goes wrong at home? Not calling you a bad person, but you have to put this in a healthy perceptive......there are many fans like you that have completely lost their minds over a sport.

I love UT like anyone else, but geesh........this can't be healthy.

Ummmm... what? Ok.

BTW... if you aren't emotionally invested... why are you here?

 

[jakez4ut]

Butch is great

 

[igotworms]

Youre a pretty smart dude to be able to tell all that about a person based on post on a site meant for people to share their opinions about ut football

Or just someone who is trying to make himself feel better by acting holier than thou and subtly saying he's better than people who react to football games

 

[Ertel]

The fundamental flaw in our offense i will never understand is why are we continuing to run the read option with a QB that pulls it once a game? Did we not learn from worley? Either change the offense to fit dormady or play the guy who fits it better. Its a square peg in a round hole, change the effing peg or the effing hole!