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luthervol said:
boxed in? Are you joking? He's boxing in his own side on this one.

Please show me, anyone please show me, where i ever said (even once) that putin had no reason to hate clinton.

You guys project so many inaccuracies onto me it's fascinating.
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😂😂😂
 
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#202
luthervol said:
Propagandize against Hillary enough to move some Trump haters into "hold their nose and vote against Hillary" voters. They seem to have played a key role in the Hillary e-mail hysteria. Again, enough to push an unknown number of voters away from Hillary and too Trump.
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I was just recently regaling the group that on my own experience with this. It is absolutely true and I want to share it again for proof. Reposting:

I confess to originally being a Bernie man. I even had a Feel the Bern bumper sticker. Each time I passed a stranger on the street, i had this incredible urge to ask them what they would be giving me that day.

Then Hillary beat Bern in the primary. At first I was reluctant to support the woman who had cheated my guy out of his rightful nomination, but like the rest of my friends, we fell in line with the party position.

I grew to appreciate Hillary's message of hope to women, the LGBTQ community, and minorities. I invested in a "I'm with Her" tee shirt that I wore to the polling place in November.

Just before stepping in the voting booth, I logged onto Facebook to virtue signal to my friends that I was voting for Hillary.

But I was mugged by some memes that I only later came to realize originated from a Russian server farm. I instinctively pulled the proverbial lever for Trump after a bad case of meme exposure. The country will never be the same.

I sure hope Mueller gets those bastards.
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tim said:
Luth, if Russia preferred Trump ask yourself why. Was it because their goal was simply to see how much they could manipulate the election?? Perhaps they didn’t prefer one over the other, but one was so laxed in their security measures the Russians seized an opportunity to see what they could do. Iirc the Dems and Repubs were both warned and the dems chose to do nothing.

Irrefutable? No, but a theory.
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Like in most everything else the Democrats were/are naive, gullible idealists.
 
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luthervol said:
I've asked myself why. There are multiple theories and I have a couple of my own. Let's see what Mueller has to say.
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You mean hypothesis? I'm not trying to be funny but it is far from a theory. A theory is developed after tested hypotheses.
 
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Weezer said:
And the basis of that opinion is Mueller has provided zero evidence after investigating for over a year now. Not really a leap.
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Some use 18 months worth of unseen findings as a basis to conclude the whole thing is a witch hunt. Some see the progress, efficiency, and professionalism of the investigation as a basis to conclude there is much there to see. Add in Trump's and the right wing's efforts to end or discredit the investigation as further proof.
 
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joevol33 said:
No. She lost because she was the worst candidate your side could of picked, and you guys can't accept that. Hence, Russia, Russia, Russia!
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Correct. Hillary is the short-fused wife of an unfaithful president, known to be physically aggressive toward him and verbally abusive to staffers, pandering to an unfortunate sector of society that she wouldn't piss on if they were on fire, heading an absolute RACKET of a "charity foundation" designed to keep the Clintons rich, with a long line of associates who met suspicious untimely deaths, who just happens to make weird faces and fall down a lot for no apparent reason.

Seems like a good candidate to me!
 
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luthervol said:
Propagandize against Hillary enough to move some Trump haters into "hold their nose and vote against Hillary" voters. They seem to have played a key role in the Hillary e-mail hysteria. Again, enough to push an unknown number of voters away from Hillary and too Trump.
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If $100k spent on twitter/social media ads by (allegedly) Russian bots could overcome Hillary:s billion dollar campaign machine, then your frustration and outraged is misplaced.
 
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luthervol said:
Boxed in? Are you joking? He's boxing in his own side on this one.

Please show me, anyone please show me, where I ever said (even once) that Putin had no reason to hate Clinton.

You guys project so many inaccuracies onto me it's fascinating.
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I could be wrong, but have you or have you not argued Trump HAD to be complicit? You've offered up a very rational theory that Putin had a vendetta against Hillary and was out to get her. In that scenario, it is easy to find Trump did not have to be complicit in the crimes of Russia. If Trump was not complicit, there are zero grounds for impeachment. Simply put, if Russia did interfere with the election, it's outrageous and should be dealt with, but the election still stands. Trump remains POTUS.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If $100k spent on twitter/social media ads by (allegedly) Russian bots could overcome Hillary:s billion dollar campaign machine, then your frustration and outraged is misplaced.
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People learned a lot about the effective use of campaign funds, plus they knew they were only talking about thousands in key battle ground states.
 
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#217
DC_Vol said:
Dude, those memes from the Russians. They got me. I still have a hard time talking about it.
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It's like the Stepford Wives. The Stepford Trumpers. They're not even aware. At least you;re aware; that's the first step to breaking free.
 
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luthervol said:
Some use 18 months worth of unseen findings as a basis to conclude the whole thing is a witch hunt. Some see the progress, efficiency, and professionalism of the investigation as a basis to conclude there is much there to see. Add in Trump's and the right wing's efforts to end or discredit the investigation as further proof.
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Remember when this investigation started and it was supposed to be about whether or not there was collusion between Russia and Trump to rig the election? Now, taking away this indictment of Russian officials that will never see the inside of an American courtroom, and tell me how many of Mueller's indictments actually have something to do with what he was originally tasked to investigate? Let's be honest, Luth. The whole thing is about trying to find something, ANYTHING, whether it's collusion or something else, to take down Trump.

The investigation should be about whether or not Trump was complicit with the actions of a foreign state in interfering with our lawful elections and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. But Mueller is obviously looking for more. Like it or not, Trump has rights, and Mueller is attempting to trample them.
 
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