The Lie: Nobody wanted the job...

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TNRazor said:
I heard Kelly and Patterson wanted it badly. I still for the life of me don't know how Hamilton hired a guy who won like 5 games in 2 years in the NFL over those guys. Then he came back a year later and hired Dooley over Sumlin. Dooley and Hart get a lot of the blame for this mess, but the root of the whole problem was an inept AD named Mike Hamilton.
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I can tell you unequivocally it came down to Kiffin and Leach and Hammy didn't have final say in it.
 
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beavbullvol said:
I can tell you unequivocally it came down to Kiffin and Leach and Hammy didn't have final say in it.
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Dooley was in fact, option 9. The funds weren't made as readily available to fail again in light of Kiffin fiasco.
 
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beavbullvol said:
I can tell you unequivocally it came down to Kiffin and Leach and Hammy didn't have final say in it.
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so either way, it was going to be a trainwreck.

this is why i don't really have faith in the boosters this go around either.
 
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MSCE09 said:
Didn't Sumlin want it after Kiffin left? I've heard that Hammy turned him down because O'dools was more organized.
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I think organizational skills require more than the ability to place papers in a neat stack, ensure players bath after practice, and keep your hair combed. It's the ability to provide Purpose, Direction and Motivation to your subordinates that is missing on this team.
 
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since we can only go one direction in time ( forward) it is useless to cry about past mistakes . I have done it and it hasnt helped. After watching the Troy game x2 , and a few days to calm down, I have come to these conclusions : 1- the bamboo watering guy has to go cause there is no logical reason to expect better next yr. 2- the ex-Bama guy running (ruining) the defense has to go- this group of players is not bad enough to be ranked 108 or whatever in total defense. Coaching must be the problem. 3. I dont care if we hire Strong, Petrino, or Smart, almost anyone is a giant improvement. 4. this team is not that bad- came close in the SC and Ga games, could have beaten Gators with better COACHING. overall, team is not disciplined or prepared as well as the better SEC teams- again coaching. A telling moment in the Troy game was when DD had to call TO to get the right players to defend a FG. WTF- go back to the LSU game 2 years ago, I have never seen a team as disorganized ( with the poss. exception of the Raiders) THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS SH^t. DD had a fair chance- he failed. the end.
 
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This makes you wander if Patterson would be receptive this time, assuming that Dooley is released at the end of this season. Patterson's defensive expertise would seem to be an extremely good fit, given the style of SEC football.
 
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FredWhite2 said:
This is actually the closest I've seen to who we were actually close to hiring after Kiffin left. Well said and well done for actual information to this board.

I'll add the fact the Dooley was/is a very organized and well spoken candidate, which helped eventually lead Hamilton to choose him over Sumlin (who I believed to be the better candidate at the time, and obviously now as well), didn't hurt him either. His law background and organizational qualities were important to Hamilton more than people think at the time of this hire.

You pair that to the Saban tutelage, Vince Dooley being your dad, and Jimmy Sexton as your agent and you've got what we ended up with...
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For an alumnus - Sexton sure hasn't done us any favors in guiding Kiffin, Kiffin Sr., and Dools our way. He's not Sal's agent is he?

He no doubt also got Phil his huge extention/ buyout. Jimmy please quit helping us - you're killing us and bankrupting the AD.
 
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oldsmokey67 said:
Kelly,Patterson,and Sumlin.What was Hamilton smoking.You don't pass up coaches like that.
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At least Hammy got the baseball coach right with his inside Clemson connection to reel in Todd Raleigh. That at least was a great hire.

Love watching Todd and his gorilla ball.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Tony B is interviewing a Dallas media guy, who is stating matter of factly that Gary Patterson W-A-N-T-E-D....the job. Interviewed for the job. But was rebuffed by Mike Hamilton, saying that he was going with Kiffin, instead. And added the insult, that he (Patterson) was too much like Phil Fulmer. :blink: That cheesed Patterson off, cause he really respected Fulmer and his accomplishments.

Thanks Hamilton. Thanks. Your curse just lasts and lasts. :no:
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I don't think I have ever said the job was undesirable when Kiffin took it. His line up was thin but had 3 solid Sr OL's (two went in the draft), Eric Berry, Rogan, D Moore, D Williams, etc. He had a 2nd round RB plus two good looking back ups.

ALOT of that was lost the next year without being replaced very well. When DD took the job, the roster was wrecked... the NCAA was snooping... Hamilton was on a hot seat... recruiting was down.

DD in the long haul may prove to have been exactly what UT needed so long as the next hire is a home run. He stabilized the program, restored discipline, rebuilt the roster's foundation, and instilled some dignity and professionalism. As it turns out, it does not look like he has the coaching skills to compete at the top of the SEC. But he still served an important role in bringing the program back.
 
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beavbullvol said:
I can tell you unequivocally it came down to Kiffin and Leach and Hammy didn't have final say in it.
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I am pretty confident that CA had some involvement in at least the interview process with Dools. So did CA, Jr. and Hammy all three interview and select Dools?

Wouldn't Hammy weigh the recommendations and ultimately make the decision on any head coach hire?
 
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They selected Dooley because they knew the s**t was about to hit the fan. He's your classic fall guy. He knew it was a sinking ship. No way any competent man would hire a coach with a losing record as the head coach of the University of Tennessee.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Tony B is interviewing a Dallas media guy, who is stating matter of factly that Gary Patterson W-A-N-T-E-D....the job. Interviewed for the job. But was rebuffed by Mike Hamilton, saying that he was going with Kiffin, instead. And added the insult, that he (Patterson) was too much like Phil Fulmer. :blink: That cheesed Patterson off, cause he really respected Fulmer and his accomplishments.

Thanks Hamilton. Thanks. Your curse just lasts and lasts. :no:
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Thank the fans for running Fulmer out of Town and starting this snowball
 
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TNinSC said:
They selected Dooley because they knew the s**t was about to hit the fan. He's your classic fall guy. He knew it was a sinking ship. No way any competent man would hire a coach with a losing record as the head coach of the University of Tennessee.
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Most or all the other programs on probation got better coaches. Even the ones like Ohio St that were on a bowl ban.
 
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vols-1 said:
Most or all the other programs on probation got better coaches. Even the ones like Ohio St that were on a bowl ban.
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Yeah, look at who Penn State got. There was never a good reason for us to hire a guy who just went 4-8 in the WAC. Everyone involved in that decision should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Hammy wanted Kiffin and really gave no one else the time of day. When Kiffin jumped ship, no high profile SEC type coach wanted the job. We were lucky to get Dooley.
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This is the lie I'm talking about. It was a Lie after Fulmer was fired (nobody wants to come here and get run out in a few years, after firing a coach with Fulmer's stature), and it was a lie after Kiffin left.

Patterson was interested still, but after being rebuffed the first time around and the insult Hamilton mentioned then, his price went up. Hamilton was budget shopping for a coach, and that left only coaches like Sumlin, Cutcliffe and Dooley.

Even then, Hamilton screwed the pooch, cause Sumlin was the most qualified among the remaining. And you are ignorant enough to say we are LUCKY?...Lucky a losing HC, who had no coordinator experience before going to La Tech (and losing), would accept a massive pay raise and bigger stage?

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If Sumlin or Patterson had come here with the mess Dooley had, we would be screaming for their heads right now.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
If Sumlin or Patterson had come here with the mess Dooley had, we would be screaming for their heads right now.
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:loco: No we wouldn't. At least they had a proven winning record, and thus earned themselves more patience/time. Sumlin's killing it in his first year at TAM. So, put that in your pipe (or blunt in this case) and smoke it. Cause it's obvious you've been taking hits off something wicked.
 
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