The Last year of CBJ - the final collapse

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FLVOL_79 said:
Ah, a fun trip down memory lane. Remember JG on the sidelines huffing and puffing because he wasn't being put in? Like he could have won the game! HAHAHAHA

Good times.
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Never held that against him. Don’t want a player that doesn’t want to play. Maurer is getting props for trying to sneak on the field when that DL threw JG’s shoe and few second guess Peyton when the story of him locking out Brandonn Stewart before a team meeting. Pouting is a bad look and Herbstreit lent to it with his commentary but if JG had progressed as a THROWER for us, this would’ve fallen by the wayside imo.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Ah, a fun trip down memory lane. Remember JG on the sidelines huffing and puffing because he wasn't being put in? Like he could have won the game! HAHAHAHA

Good times.

Still cant believe we had Kamara on our team....for 2 years..
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That is funny to think about JG as the talent iin waiting. His only dual threat was whether he would hit an opposing secondary player or linebacker in the numbers for his next turnover.

Old Butch had the 2 best seasons following the disastrous firing of Fulmer by beancounter Hamilton and he did it with his recruits- impact players Dobbs, Kamara, Barnett, Hurd and others. He failed on restocking the program no doubt but he deserves credit for elevating the level of play significantly and selling tickets with the brick by brick performance and the national signing day shows etc. Butch was/is a class act and I wish him well on his next opportunity after he leaves Alabama.
 
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tabrams said:
I am wondering what exactly happened to him
His last year at UT... yea I know his recruiting was really kinda bad in the trenches and the QBs didn’t fit his system and he had no S&C for s few years....

But I’ve always been curious as to what changed in his attitude... like he looked after the games like he would shake hands and talk to the other coaches and be smiling and not bothered we just got massacred..... like almost like he’d just completely given up or he wanted to get fired....

Also, I was wondering exactly what bad things his son was telling Cade Mays and others about UT?

Any insiders or folks who knows any of this stuff would be great insight as to how we got this bad lol....
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After the 2015 season a few guys lead by JRM came to Butch because they didn't like Dave Lawson. They said he was too hard on them, blah blah blah. Butch started letting the players run the program and put a kid in charge of the strength program. Workouts became optional, lineman showed up to 2016 fall camp 30lbs overweight and it showed. And then when there is no leadership, you start having in fighting. Players started getting suspended, quitting, etc. Then Butch had to coddle then more by naming them champions of life. The rest is history
 
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he never built the trenches...when Barnett, Kamara and Dobbs left they were exposed with no back fill...fair enough, Martinez (Nebraska) was on the hook for Butch...though I think he threw 3 ints yesterday vs Ohio St.
 
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tabrams said:
I am wondering what exactly happened to him
His last year at UT... yea I know his recruiting was really kinda bad in the trenches and the QBs didn’t fit his system and he had no S&C for s few years....

But I’ve always been curious as to what changed in his attitude... like he looked after the games like he would shake hands and talk to the other coaches and be smiling and not bothered we just got massacred..... like almost like he’d just completely given up or he wanted to get fired....

Also, I was wondering exactly what bad things his son was telling Cade Mays and others about UT?

Any insiders or folks who knows any of this stuff would be great insight as to how we got this bad lol....
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He isn’t a man of integrity
 
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volfannbama said:
No insider info, but I believe Jones was just an awful people manager....he was a decent football coach, but couldnt manage the people and it just caught up to him his final year.
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It caught up to him that previous year. He won 9 games, but Dobbs' senior year was a rolling train wreck at the end with a team that laid down and quit against Mizzou and Vandy.
 
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knox73 said:
That is funny to think about JG as the talent iin waiting. His only dual threat was whether he would hit an opposing secondary player or linebacker in the numbers for his next turnover.

Old Butch had the 2 best seasons following the disastrous firing of Fulmer by beancounter Hamilton and he did it with his recruits- impact players Dobbs, Kamara, Barnett, Hurd and others. He failed on restocking the program no doubt but he deserves credit for elevating the level of play significantly and selling tickets with the brick by brick performance and the national signing day shows etc. Butch was/is a class act and I wish him well on his next opportunity after he leaves Alabama.
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I’m sorry but I have to grab this bait. Obviously, you must know some things about Butch Jones we haven’t heard about that nullify his actions both on and off the field, especially his last two years. Hmmmm??
 
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Gawd all you still debating a B-list HC AT BEST who never should have been hired by TN in the first place. Only bc Pruitt is worse. Sad how far we’ve fallen. But BVS is real.
 
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I think he realized the job is too big for him at this level. He lost confidence and lost the drive to compete. He got close but after the heralded class of 2015, I believe, he didn’t continue the drive in recruiting. That class ended up being mostly a bust. Not 1 player was drafted 4 yrs later. His legacy kids were mostly hype also. None turned out to be as good as their relatives. His philosophy does not match for SEC play. Who thought small OL and big Wrs with average speed would work? Last, QB play. Other than Dobbs, his eye for qB talent stunk.
 
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Jones has and always will be an idiot. Unfortunately for them, a lot of talented high school players fell for his idiocy. It's a testament guys like Dobbs and Barnett were as successful as they were, due to individual work ethic. The 10 win team Jones had was one of the most talented teams in the nation, but he underachieved. For as bad as a coach he is, he is an even worse person. It is truly sad it took most fans five years to figure out what some of us knew on day one.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Jones has and always will be an idiot. Unfortunately for them, a lot of talented high school players fell for his idiocy. It's a testament guys like Dobbs and Barnett were as successful as they were, due to individual work ethic. The 10 win team Jones had was one of the most talented teams in the nation, but he underachieved. For as bad as a coach he is, he is an even worse person. It is truly sad it took most fans five years to figure out what some of us knew on day one.
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How do you know Jones is such a bad person? Fact is..... you don’t .... rag him as a bad football coach and etc., but stop talking out of your ass with this kind of thing.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
How do you know Jones is such a bad person? Fact is..... you don’t .... rag him as a bad football coach and etc., but stop talking out of your ass with this kind of thing.
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Ask his former players? Ask the UT administration? Heck, ask Maryland why he wouldn't take a position job this offseason? He would rather make more money doing nothing at Alabama than actually work for something. He is clueless and idiotic. Anyone that has spent considerable time around him will agree with me.
 
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Jones was a used car salesman who sold kids on dreams that he couldn't produce. That's likely why the culture soured with guys like Hurd and Jennings finally getting enough toward the end.

He was a horrible manager of people issues from the very start. He played favorites and wasn't exactly truthful. His schtick of trying to be "cool" broke down some necessary boundaries of authority and respect.

As a coach, he literally thought he would bring his "system" to the SEC and revolutionize football. He intentionally tried to make his OL's "smaller and quicker". He focused on things like sleep studies and new dietary techniques rather than football fundamentals.
 
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Remy said:
It caught up to him that previous year. He won 9 games, but Dobbs' senior year was a rolling train wreck at the end with a team that laid down and quit against Mizzou and Vandy.
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Beat Mizzou 63-37.
 
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Hiring Larry Scott, an unproven coach in a new position as OC, along with the graduation of Dobbs and not having a comparable replacement in the wings pretty well doomed Jones.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
I can think of several MILLION $$$$ reasons off the top of my head. Botch is a POS and I wish him the worst life has to offer. Smoking a freakin cigar in Neyland after the Bama loss last year tells you what a lying chump he is.
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The cigar incident chafes me too. That, plus one would think he'd have enough pride and decency to not even make the trip to Neyland that year--I doubt Saban required it. I mean, to be head coach one year and an intern on the opposite sideline the next--you'd think the ass would want to keep a low profile. Fact is, no Josh Dobbs and he would've been gone much earlier.
 
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I knew when I saw the Georgia State game, the lack of emotion by both the players and the staff that Tennessee football was indeed dead, no pulse, flat lined.....RIP Old Friend!
We’ll just have to cherish the memories
 
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tabrams said:
I am wondering what exactly happened to him
His last year at UT... yea I know his recruiting was really kinda bad in the trenches and the QBs didn’t fit his system and he had no S&C for s few years....

But I’ve always been curious as to what changed in his attitude... like he looked after the games like he would shake hands and talk to the other coaches and be smiling and not bothered we just got massacred..... like almost like he’d just completely given up or he wanted to get fired....

Also, I was wondering exactly what bad things his son was telling Cade Mays and others about UT?

Any insiders or folks who knows any of this stuff would be great insight as to how we got this bad lol....
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If you look at his recruiting it was stacked with projects and was highly deficient in SEC quality linemen.
He did have some bad luck with Jack Jones and the other big lineman.

Ultimately, Butch was putting on an act. He failed to hire an SEC staff and his best coaches left. Jay Graham smelt his schtick and got away fast.
 
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