The Kim Caldwell System

B.S.!!! Kellie and Sam had a tenth of the NIL funds than the current staff has been given by Danny White - that's a fact. Yeah, every school in the SEC has NIL funds, but the amounts avaliable to each team varies greatly.

If they couldn't recruit, why were they in the final groups for several top 20 high school recruits? Money makes a difference in today's recruiting world, especially in Women's College Basketball, where players could very well make more than their pro career.

Isn't it interesting that the current staff's best player this season was a signee of Kellie's staff and the best shooters last season were mostly her recruits?

The mistake being made by the current staff is similar to what Butch Jones did - recruiting to star ratings instead of building a team of compatible and complementary players.
Watching some of Ellie Muller last year Iowa state tournament games .
and a Thanksgiving kickoff Games where she was play in the last three years start to the season in Minnesota.
She has nice shoting touch for a 4/5
Think she shoting 32% from three pointers.
She nice shot blocker .
Dribbles ball well for a big girl
Nice post moves
Schools that offer Ellie Muller included
Iowa , Iowa state, Minnesota, Kansas.
Going offer options others in few weeks.
Have seen one game of Jada Maples
Two of Natalya Hodge
There better than some on here are giving them credit.
 
You can say anything as a fan doesn’t change the All-American honors and rankings in 20 months.. #1/#2 HS class in 2025, #1 portal class in 2025, and #9 HS class featuring the no. 2 recruit in 2026.
And just likes Lauren Betts who averaged 5 ppg as a freshmen the system and coaching matters.
So keep those lame jokes and wait & see. Talent is always going to be talent.
And we have a senior cheeseburger that average more fouls than points. Calm down you just can't handle the truth.
 
You can say anything as a fan doesn’t change the All-American honors and rankings in 20 months.. #1/#2 HS class in 2025, #1 portal class in 2025, and #9 HS class featuring the no. 2 recruit in 2026.
And just likes Lauren Betts who averaged 5 ppg as a freshmen the system and coaching matters.
So keep those lame jokes and wait & see. Talent is always going to be talent.

Until those classes and elite players start winning and winning championships, player and class rankings don’t mean Jack squat.
You continuously bring that into every conversation as if that’s magically going to take LVBB into another run of Nattys. Hopefully it will. In the meantime, talented teams with huge payrolls (Dallas Cowboys, OSU Buckeyes in football, LA Lakers as examples) are overwhelmingly underwhelming. Great talent can and will take teams far, but only if they continue to take coaching and improve their game. The OKC Thunder are extremely talented, all the way from the first 5 to the last one sitting. But they even say that Coach Mark Daigneault’s consistent coaching and approach to the game is just as much or even more responsible for their success. Either CKC will figure her players out or them her. Like I say, all the talent in the world doesn’t matter if they aren’t capitalizing on said talent. And less talented teams with great coaching have sent more talented teams home come tournament time.
 
You can say anything as a fan doesn’t change the All-American honors and rankings in 20 months.. #1/#2 HS class in 2025, #1 portal class in 2025, and #9 HS class featuring the no. 2 recruit in 2026.
And just likes Lauren Betts who averaged 5 ppg as a freshmen the system and coaching matters.
So keep those lame jokes and wait & see. Talent is always going to be talent.
"Talent is always going to be talent"
Does that mean that Wolfenbarger is still a top 10 talent like she was in high school ?
 
Shooting is not a talent it's a skill
Yep, talent is innate, a natural ability you were born with, that's why you see a lot of pros offspring's e.g. Manning's the Curry's etc.. Skill is a learned ability, learned through practice and repetitions. I never followed Wolfenbarger or any girls HS players but some could be overrated by services for a number of different reasons. Might be she paid to go to certain camps that had a relationship with the services or even service was the owner of the camp. Their campers get an extra star for obvious reasons or she may have played in an area with inferior talent and out sized them and put up big numbers, along with her height getting her over starred.
 
It's a system. Tinker with one part and all the rest have to change...
I agree with this. But I wonder if that includes offense. Because Kim has not only changed the 3 heaving,quick shot offense, she’s completely scrapped it and calls the players’ contuing to play it their biggest problem right now. A complete 180 fm last yr. She says they’re doing drills requiring many passes without a shot, and drills involving passing up the first shot. Shes emphasizing the old time, tried and true, inside out game.

Can she run her system on defense only? Is it possible to play pure chaos D and not let that chaos continue to consume the offense? Are we still trying to run up a shot attempt margin? I wonder if playing half the system is what has our players seemingly so confused.
 
I agree with this. But I wonder if that includes offense. Because Kim has not only changed the 3 heaving,quick shot offense, she’s completely scrapped it and calls the players’ contuing to play it their biggest problem right now. A complete 180 fm last yr. She says they’re doing drills requiring many passes without a shot, and drills involving passing up the first shot. Shes emphasizing the old time, tried and true, inside out game.

Can she run her system on defense only? Is it possible to play pure chaos D and not let that chaos continue to consume the offense? Are we still trying to run up a shot attempt margin? I wonder if playing half the system is what has our players seemingly so confused.
One big concession today was less substitution. Six players played 165 minutes.

Next big concession would be to slack up on the press some and maybe play a zone three of four possessions. Become unpredictable.
 
Hey, RetroVol Happy New Year. I’m very curious what you think about what happened yesterday. It’s so funny that the one thing you and I agreed on, we were both completely wrong about. We both said CKC would not be changing her system this year, especially not the hockey subbing system.Welp shows what we know. Indeed, she changed it yesterday.

I’d love to see some detailed stats. How did she achieve those extra minutes and the paired down rotation? What was the longest stretch players were in without subbing? How often did she abandon the full trapping press? Was that related to the extended player stretches? Is there an analytic for how long they can go with say, a 50% trap?.

While I’m surprised, Im not shocked. Anyone could see her system wasnt going to work past mid pack SEC. Now she has to transition on the fly,which you said the other day may or may not be successful for her.

I think she will be successful but also can see how her transition is helping cause some of the confusion of this team. They literally are a team, and a coach, in search of a new identity.

Am I overstating the sea change I thought I saw yesterday. What do you think?
 
Hey, RetroVol Happy New Year. I’m very curious what you think about what happened yesterday. It’s so funny that the one thing you and I agreed on, we were both completely wrong about. We both said CKC would not be changing her system this year, especially not the hockey subbing system.Welp shows what we know. Indeed, she changed it yesterday.

I’d love to see some detailed stats. How did she achieve those extra minutes and the paired down rotation? What was the longest stretch players were in without subbing? How often did she abandon the full trapping press? Was that related to the extended player stretches? Is there an analytic for how long they can go with say, a 50% trap?.

While I’m surprised, Im not shocked. Anyone could see her system wasnt going to work past mid pack SEC. Now she has to transition on the fly,which you said the other day may or may not be successful for her.

I think she will be successful but also can see how her transition is helping cause some of the confusion of this team. They literally are a team, and a coach, in search of a new identity.

Am I overstating the sea change I thought I saw yesterday. What do you think?

Good questions. What I saw in terms of subbing is that she had "a core group"-- her starters--who went for longer stretches (3 to 4 minutes) and then the substitution unit came in for 90 seconds to 2 minutes. I also noticed that Barker was in the sub rotation in the first half and in the core rotation for the 2nd half.

I think the LVs best five right now might be Mia Pauldo, Coop, Barker, Zee, and Latham. Robertson could fit in that set on a given night depending on match-ups and if she is on a shooting tear. Civil, Prawl, and it is looking like Hurst are going to be the main role players who will fill out the rotation.

Looking at that set-up, a lot is riding on Mia and Zee. There just is not much depth at PG and in the post.
 
Good questions. What I saw in terms of subbing is that she had "a core group"-- her starters--who went for longer stretches (3 to 4 minutes) and then the substitution unit came in for 90 seconds to 2 minutes. I also noticed that Barker was in the sub rotation in the first half and in the core rotation for the 2nd half.

I think the LVs best five right now might be Mia Pauldo, Coop, Barker, Zee, and Latham. Robertson could fit in that set on a given night depending on match-ups and if she is on a shooting tear. Civil, Prawl, and it is looking like Hurst are going to be the main role players who will fill out the rotation.

Looking at that set-up, a lot is riding on Mia and Zee. There just is not much depth at PG and in the post.
So is the core group doubling its on court stretches but still getting the same 90 sec - 2 min rest? If so I can see how that trickles down to trapping much less.
 
So is the core group doubling its on court stretches but still getting the same 90 sec - 2 min rest? If so I can see how that trickles down to trapping much less.
I really didn't notice as the game got to intense in the third quarter. Still substituted, but it seem like the core group was only out like a minute most of the time.
 
And become a new coach. As Retro said the other day, she's never seen or done it any other way. This is where SEC vets Gabe and Roman can be huge helps.

I didn't see the post game presser. Did anyone ask Kim about the system changes?
Don't remember them asking anything. Most of it was about how we lost a seventeen point lead, but unlike other games we fought back and won.
 
I really didn't notice as the game got to intense in the third quarter. Still substituted, but it seem like the core group was only out like a minute most of the time.
I guess they're probably having to rethink load management and the whole sub pattern in real time. Better late than never, but you kinda hate that all these big changes are going on right now. No wonder the team seems confused.

Will be interesting to see if extended stretches help 3 pt shooting. I think it will help Coop and Barker.
 
And become a new coach. As Retro said the other day, she's never seen or done it any other way. This is where SEC vets Gabe and Roman can be huge helps.

I didn't see the post game presser. Did anyone ask Kim about the system changes?
I didn't see anything, but I would love to know more about her thinking. I was pleasantly surprised, even if it did seem like we were not conditioned enough at times.
 
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I didn't see anything, but I would love to know more about her thinking. I was pleasantly surprised, even if it did seem like we were not conditioned enough at times.
It feels like conditioning at this level for this system has always been tricky for this staff. And will be even more so now if the system they've known, run analytics for, and taught for all these years is going to change. Lets just hope for no late season swoons from overuse like last yr.
 
I guess they're probably having to rethink load management and the whole sub pattern in real time. Better late than never, but you kinda hate that all these big changes are going on right now. No wonder the team seems confused.
The biggest was playing time. Six players went 165 minutes which is certainly as much as most of the other teams play their starters. The noticeable cuts were the freshmen who got seven minutes each and Boyd 14. That was it. Latham, Cooper, Robertson, Barker, Spearman, and Mia Pauldo 165 minutes. Hurst, Civil, and Prawl got equally 7 minutes each.

Wolfenbarger, Wynn, and Mya Pauldo 0 minutes.

We did back off the press some in the fourth quarter as well. Nothing drastic no zone, pack the paint or match up zone. Still guarded man to man with very little help defense. Still didn't seem interested in protecting the rim. We still have a long way to go on defense, but she did in this game get the effort she likes and the rebounding team has to have shooting 39 percent. She evidently got the point across about attacking the rim more as only 25 threes and most of them went up in the first half of the game.
 
The biggest was playing time. Six players went 165 minutes which is certainly as much as most of the other teams play their starters. The noticeable cuts were the freshmen who got seven minutes each and Boyd 14. That was it. Latham, Cooper, Robertson, Barker, Spearman, and Mia Pauldo 165 minutes. Hurst, Civil, and Prawl got equally 7 minutes each.

Wolfenbarger, Wynn, and Mya Pauldo 0 minutes.

We did back off the press some in the fourth quarter as well. Nothing drastic no zone, pack the paint or match up zone. Still guarded man to man with very little help defense. Still didn't seem interested in protecting the rim. We still have a long way to go on defense, but she did in this game get the effort she likes and the rebounding team has to have shooting 39 percent. She evidently got the point across about attacking the rim more as only 25 threes and most of them went up in the first half of the game.
Wolfenbarger apparently had the flu over the break or right after, and hadn't practiced, and that's why she didn't play today. I'm curious to see if Hurst stays ahead of her in the rotation. At this point, I hope so (though I feel for Jersey - she already just had strep throat a few weeks ago, didn't she?).
 
Wolfenbarger apparently had the flu over the break or right after, and hadn't practiced, and that's why she didn't play today. I'm curious to see if Hurst stays ahead of her in the rotation. At this point, I hope so (though I feel for Jersey - she already just had strep throat a few weeks ago, didn't she?).
The seven minutes Hurst played is far better than anything Wolfenbarger has given us thus far. I think she may have been passed not by Hurst, but by Latham grabbing her minutes. Latham went 30 minutes yesterday very consistent performance. If she is going around 30 from here on it that leaves hardly nothing for Jersey cause Spearman is getting 25 to 30 and so is Barker.
 
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The seven minutes Hurst played is far better than anything Wolfenbarger has given us thus far. I think she may have been passed not by Hurst, but by Latham grabbing her minutes. Latham went 30 minutes yesterday very consisten performance. If she is going around 30 from here on it that leaves hardly nothing for Jersey cause Spearman is getting 25 to 30 and so is Barker.
Latham was fantastic last night! Let's hope she can maintain that level of play. As a fan, I care a whole lot more about keeping our most effective players on the floor than doling our minutes in a democratic fashion.
 
Latham was fantastic last night! Let's hope she can maintain that level of play. As a fan, I care a whole lot more about keeping our most effective players on the floor than doling our minutes in a democratic fashion.
Exactly and Jersey has not demonstrated the ability to get very many minutes. I expect we will see her again not expecting her to be a huge factor going forward.
 
Hey, RetroVol Happy New Year. I’m very curious what you think about what happened yesterday. It’s so funny that the one thing you and I agreed on, we were both completely wrong about. We both said CKC would not be changing her system this year, especially not the hockey subbing system.Welp shows what we know. Indeed, she changed it yesterday.

I’d love to see some detailed stats. How did she achieve those extra minutes and the paired down rotation? What was the longest stretch players were in without subbing? How often did she abandon the full trapping press? Was that related to the extended player stretches? Is there an analytic for how long they can go with say, a 50% trap?.

While I’m surprised, Im not shocked. Anyone could see her system wasnt going to work past mid pack SEC. Now she has to transition on the fly,which you said the other day may or may not be successful for her.

I think she will be successful but also can see how her transition is helping cause some of the confusion of this team. They literally are a team, and a coach, in search of a new identity.

Am I overstating the sea change I thought I saw yesterday. What do you think?
And Happy New Year right back at 'ya! I've enjoyed our exchanges.

Really good questions. Maybe Kim has seen that the "system won't work past mid pack SEC," though as we've discussed, I think there is evidence to argue either way. I don't know if it's a sea change yet., but change is clearly happening.

Yesterday was certainly different at 165 minutes for the top 6. Some of that could be due to Jersey being unavailable due to illness. And maybe something was going on with Myas? but maybe not all that much. Against Louisville, the top six players got 158 minutes. Stanford was 147. UCLA 149. NCST, 152. Going back to last year, Texas was 130, Ohio State was 149, and UCONN 152. So, 165 was a pretty big change. And we can't forget, this team lost Ruby's chunk of minutes along with leadership, team cohesion, or whatever else she might have brought.

It seems to me the "line-change" substitutions have slowed going back a few games, although there were still occasions yesterday I saw five subs sitting at the scorers table. Again, how much of this is re-thinking her system and how much this team or being short-handed on players yesterday, I don't know.

All that said, the question of how much and for how long she is changing her approach is up in the air. I mean, she has talked about adapting the system both based on experience and for the particulars strengths and weaknesses of a given team. Maybe that's what's going on here, or maybe she is really pushing into a new area. Just don't know. But it is fascinating to watch.
 
Okay. I'm just having fun playing with LLMs. While walking today, I heard a youtuber make some claim about certain Tennessee players not producing well together because their styles conflict. It got me to thinking whether there might be a way to get an LLM to analyze that. Which led me to the play-by-play summaries on ESPN, and, voila!, they have time-stamped substitutions. it turns out copying those play-by-play summaries and pasting them into a Word document then saving as a pdf is fairly trivial. And LLMs read pdfs. And can analyze data. So... hours go by, playing around with feeding the summaries for the NC State, UCLA, Stanford, Louisville, and Florida games into the big 4. Some of the AI eccentricities showed up, like occasionally mis-counting things. (One AI caught another AI's error.) But overall, I think what I ended up with was accurate and significant enough to share this summary. (Again from Gemini. Don't know why. I use ChatGPT a lot, but for this, Gemini seemed better. I wasn't really going for a rigorous AI comparison!) So, for what it's worth:

Topic: Are We Seeing an Evolution in the "Hockey Line" Strategy?

After breaking down the play-by-play data from the NC State, UCLA, Stanford, Louisville, and Florida games, some distinct patterns are emerging regarding Coach Caldwell’s substitution philosophy. While the sample size is small (12 games total, 5 analyzed here), the data hints that the "system" is becoming less rigid and more situational, particularly in "winning time."

Here is a summary of the observable trends:

1. The Baseline: High-Volume "Platooning"

In the early "stress test" games (NC State) and the recent loss to Louisville, the data shows a heavy reliance on swapping all 5 players at once (5-for-5).

  • vs. NC State: There were 11 separate 5-for-5 line changes.
  • vs. Louisville: There were 6 separate 5-for-5 line changes.
  • Observation: In both losses, the "Hockey Line" subs continued deep into the 4th Quarter regardless of the score or momentum.

2. The Adjustment: The Shift to 4-for-4

In the road win at Stanford, we saw a noticeable behavior change. Instead of swapping everyone, Caldwell frequently kept one "anchor" player (often Talaysia Cooper) on the floor while swapping the other four.

  • vs. Stanford: There were only 3 5-for-5 swaps, but 11 4-for-4 swaps.
  • Significance: This suggests an attempt to maintain the "fresh legs" advantage of mass substitutions without completely resetting the lineup's chemistry.

3. The Closer: 4th Quarter Management

This is where the biggest shift appears to be happening. We can contrast how the 4th Quarter was handled in close games:

  • NC State (Loss): Executed a full 5-for-5 swap with 3:36 remaining in a tight game.
  • Stanford (Win): Stopped all mass substitutions for the final 7 minutes.
  • Florida (Win): Stopped all mass substitutions for the entire 4th Quarter.

The Data: Mass Substitutions by Game

GameResult5-for-5 Swaps4-for-4 Swaps4th Quarter Strategy
NC StateLoss116Rigid. Swapped 5 players with 3:36 left (game tied/close).
UCLALoss32Reactive. Abandoned system in Q2 & Q4 when trailing by double digits.
StanfordWin311Hybrid. Heavy use of 4-for-4. No mass subs in final 7 mins.
LouisvilleLoss62Rigid. Swapped 5 players with 7:05 left (down 18).
FloridaWin53Situational. Zero mass subs in Q4.

What the Hints Suggest

The Louisville game appears to be an outlier where the "system" was applied strictly despite the deficit. However, the contrast between the NC State loss (rigid 4th quarter subs) and the Florida win (zero 4th quarter mass subs) suggests a potential calibration.

The Florida game may represent the "ideal" version of this strategy: use the platoon swaps for the first 30 minutes to wear the opponent down, then tighten the rotation to specific matchups to secure the win. We will need to see if this pattern holds in upcoming SEC games.
 

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