The Kim Caldwell System

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lvocd said:
And I would guess that glv98 would be thrilled as he could be to come on here and tell everyone who would listen that he was so glad he'd been wrong to believe it couldn't work, and was celebrating the team and Kim Caldwell's successes.
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100%. I’ll eat my crow cold.

What will probably happen is we’ll meet in the muddy middle. Kim and her system will be successful, but only after considerable changes to compete at this level.

Also, how are we defining ‘worked’? What results make all the baggage of the system worth it?
 
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volsagain said:
Yeah after reading all the different super Lady VOLS analysis I've deciphered the answer. 🤔 Really believe playing better defense and rebounding can and will stop the blowouts. Now to have a better shot and winning the most games top 4 players need around 34 minutes next 4 around 6 minutes per game. This should be used against all ranked teams. We don't need to have large deficits to try and overcome , this will just cause more long term fatigue. GLV 💥
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1morevol said:
I agree, more minutes for the top players. You've accounted for 160 of the 200 minutes available. How should the remaining 40 minutes be divided amongst players?
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As I think has been made clear in these discussions, there are reasons to think Kim's approach won't work (and reasons to think it will). We will see. But, to me, when you call for this redistribution of minutes, it's a call for a fundamental re-direct of the way Kim coaches. It's a system. Tinker with one part and all the rest have to change. And, if what is desired is for the Lady Vols to play much closer to the way most P4 teams play, then is there any reason to think Kim Caldwell is the right coach to lead that effort? She's definitely the right coach to work with this approach. She's adapted it throughout her career, and it looks to me like is still adjusting. But to just play like other teams? No particular experience or demonstrated expertise.

Not saying that's an unreasonable opinion to hold, even if I'm not there yet. I'd still like to see her make her approach work on this level even better than it has so far. I think it would be good for women's basketball.
 
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RetroVol said:
As I think has been made clear in these discussions, there are reasons to think Kim's approach won't work (and reasons to think it will). We will see. But, to me, when you call for this redistribution of minutes, it's a call for a fundamental re-direct of the way Kim coaches. It's a system. Tinker with one part and all the rest have to change. And, if what is desired is for the Lady Vols to play much closer to the way most P4 teams play, then is there any reason to think Kim Caldwell is the right coach to lead that effort? She's definitely the right coach to work with this approach. She's adapted it throughout her career, and it looks to me like is still adjusting. But to just play like other teams? No particular experience or demonstrated expertise.

Not saying that's an unreasonable opinion to hold, even if I'm not there yet. I'd still like to see her make her approach work on this level even better than it has so far. I think it would be good for women's basketball.
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She’s smart, capable, confident and steeped in the game from birth. And has fantastic resources here. No reason Kim wouldn’t be successful using another system if she had to.

I also think this team would be very successful in a ‘normal’ system. Coop and Barker would be one of the most feared 1-2 punches in the country.
 
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RetroVol said:
As I think has been made clear in these discussions, there are reasons to think Kim's approach won't work (and reasons to think it will). We will see. But, to me, when you call for this redistribution of minutes, it's a call for a fundamental re-direct of the way Kim coaches. It's a system. Tinker with one part and all the rest have to change. And, if what is desired is for the Lady Vols to play much closer to the way most P4 teams play, then is there any reason to think Kim Caldwell is the right coach to lead that effort? She's definitely the right coach to work with this approach. She's adapted it throughout her career, and it looks to me like is still adjusting. But to just play like other teams? No particular experience or demonstrated expertise.

Not saying that's an unreasonable opinion to hold, even if I'm not there yet. I'd still like to see her make her approach work on this level even better than it has so far. I think it would be good for women's basketball.
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I really hope she takes this system and shows everyone that she is the new best thing. She's so likable it's easy to pull for her. I've seen this style in highschool for many years. My cousin was very successful winning multiple state championships and runner ups. I seen so slow starts to seasons where teams were just a step slow being where they needed to be. Also seen first half of games that made you ask why are we still pressing and bang everything click the second half and run away with the game. But it was not done with the line change but with a lot of substitutions.
 
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NeedOrange said:
I played the same system when I coached. 5 players out, 5 Players in without a letdown in the quality of play. The 6th grade ladies loved it. I can't understand why none of my girls made the varsity or JV) team in high school.
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I mean elementary school, junior high I can understand - everyone plays. But college where the quality of competition is almost pro nowadays and the margin of error is small it's risky and gamble once it's been exposed. Like I stated a few posts ago, the system can work but CKC is in year 2 of the power conference and the "elite" have her figured out.

Yet, I saw Kim Mu. a few nights ago do 5 in and 5 out with her team. The difference though they have an extremely deep bench this year, putting up 100+ almost every game and of course Kim Mu. is a strict disciplinarian of a coach. Yes you can have fun playing for KM but if you underachieve she will not lose sleep if a kid hits the portal. I mean she lost 5-6 kids last year and rebooted her roster and she's still winning.
 
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LadyVolsDiehard said:
I mean elementary school, junior high I can understand - everyone plays. But college where the quality of competition is almost pro nowadays and the margin of error is small it's risky and gamble once it's been exposed. Like I stated a few posts ago, the system can work but CKC is in year 2 of the power conference and the "elite" have her figured out.

Yet, I saw Kim Mu. a few nights ago do 5 in and 5 out with her team. The difference though they have an extremely deep bench this year, putting up 100+ almost every game and of course Kim Mu. is a strict disciplinarian of a coach. Yes you can have fun playing for KM but if you underachieve she will not lose sleep if a kid hits the portal. I mean she lost 5-6 kids last year and rebooted her roster and she's still winning.
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The first LSU game i watched this year i saw a 5x platoon. Yeah, kimmie is shaking trees… 🌴
 
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You can’t ever compare LSU or anything they do with Tennessee when they play the kind of pathetic non- conference schedule they do.
And that includes the game against Duke (a team that loss to West Virginia) who isn’t even a ranked team with 5 players.
LSU has no more talent than Tennessee. The teams are coached different that’s the key factor. You don’t see LSU post players standing around the 3pt line. You don’t see them using three 6’5 and 6’4 players along with a 6’2 post player to press guards the full length of the court.
Tennessee would look like a completely different team in a different system regardless of if they substituted 5 in and 5 out.

LadyVolsDiehard said:
I mean elementary school, junior high I can understand - everyone plays. But college where the quality of competition is almost pro nowadays and the margin of error is small it's risky and gamble once it's been exposed. Like I stated a few posts ago, the system can work but CKC is in year 2 of the power conference and the "elite" have her figured out.

Yet, I saw Kim Mu. a few nights ago do 5 in and 5 out with her team. The difference though they have an extremely deep bench this year, putting up 100+ almost every game and of course Kim Mu. is a strict disciplinarian of a coach. Yes you can have fun playing for KM but if you underachieve she will not lose sleep if a kid hits the portal. I mean she lost 5-6 kids last year and rebooted her roster and she's still winning.
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WaywardVol said:
This hire is more typical of what Danny dollars is like. He thinks he’s brilliant. What’s more frustrating is Kellie was never afforded the NIL support. Spending akin to a sailor on a 3-day leave in Thailand. Danny, in his arrogance, wanted to put his stamp on the LVs return to glory. Nothing personal, but I’m wishing for failure.
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VA_VOLFAN said:
Some of the players have liked comments about the team needing to play harder and be less selfish. Even saw a player like a comment about the system not being set up for the players strengths 👀

Lastly. saw one of the mens players like a comment doubting the efficiency of this system 👀

I’ve heard some different things but now starting to see it.
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Don't have names but which social media site.
And group like
Tennessee lady Vols Facebook
Reel fans of the ladies Vols Facebook.
It's on X , Instagram or whatever
And dates of said post would even better
 
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chuckiepoo said:
The first LSU game i watched this year i saw a 5x platoon. Yeah, kimmie is shaking trees… 🌴
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Was against cupcakes.
Let see if the other Kim M. Does in the SEC night in and night out.
Then broadcasters will start using the Caldwell system.
To describe game coverage when other teams use it .
On non cupcakes games
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
A change to the program and direction was needed. TN sports overall under DW is at one of its highest level in many yrs. He will not hesitate to move on from Kim if she does not take the program forward like he expects. That's what good AD's do.
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The change needed was for Kelly to get the same NIL opportunities. Period. It’s well documented who she lost due to this factor alone.

Danny inherited two of the best coaches in UT history. Despite the terrible leadership, he woke up on 3rd base in that regard. One of those is gone and the other is close to retirement. Caldwell looks like a person who’d rather be home with her newborn.

Oh, he also inherited the best soccer coach in the country. The soccer coach he lost to FSU just won his 2nd national Championship in 5 years. He also inherited the best softball coach in the history of the program.

So please, stop telling me how great Danny Dollars is. He’s a schmuck.
 
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WaywardVol said:
The change needed was for Kelly to get the same NIL opportunities. Period. It’s well documented who she lost due to this factor alone.

Danny inherited two of the best coaches in UT history. Despite the terrible leadership, he woke up on 3rd base in that regard. One of those is gone and the other is close to retirement. Caldwell looks like a person who’d rather be home with her newborn.

Oh, he also inherited the best soccer coach in the country. The soccer coach he lost to FSU just won his 2nd national Championship in 5 years. He also inherited the best softball coach in the history of the program.

So please, stop telling me how great Danny Dollars is. He’s a schmuck.
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chuckiepoo said:
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Seriously what was Danny white best hired coach finished here and before Tennessee?
Football coach, basketball coach, basketball coach, baseball or softball, volleyball, soccer or any sport any one to name.
Talking national championship first.
National championship appearances.
World series baseball or softball.
Have not looked into Danny white past hires but since some on here say he is best great athletic director Tennessee ever had.
with a track record of great hires as some say.
Then it should easily to name some of his best hires and great season finishes.

Know this well be unpopular but was wondering if Danny white had hired a national championship coach before.
Since he has a reputation of great hiring ad.

Know Danny white is bringing in the money.
This about his eye for hiring national championship coach.

Know Kellie gone but remember seeing some where Kellie and/or Sam asked for NIL funding.

Baseball coach said players wanted to talk about money.
Danny white came out to say women's basketball wasn't not getting money from the baseball team.
Clearly some though baseball team should have got more support.

Soccer coach would been hard to keep.
But he had number seed in the tournament and national coach of the year at Maryland before being hired at Knoxville.
Higher public contact offer and more support nil spending might kept him here.
At least show the soccer fans Danny White tried to keep a coach he inherited.

Instead Florida state hired him away Seminoles win two national championship after he left.
Now didn't watch no soccer after Tennessee lost talking waywardvol post on that. Two national champichampionship know sure he won year after leaving Tennessee.

Know allot said Kellie had enough time.
But I still see a lot of fans on Facebook still talking about how she got bad deal support wise.
More people bad mouth a beloved Tennessee lady player.
the more flare up you are going to have from time to time.

The ad who hired Pat Summit
And ad who hired the Robert Neyland General football coach now those were Tennessee best hires for national championship coach

Careful Chuck with those leading props
Never know who ready to blow
 
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chuckiepoo said:
So two ADs in the last hundred years meet your sniff test? 😉🤙🏼🧡🤣
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Yeah all you need to do is Google his AD success. Most of his hires at Buffalo were hired away by power 4 schools . The amount of funds he has raised at each school made them competitive and stronger in all sports. Then there's these large donor schools that have more money for NIL than 97% of the schools can compete with. Everyone wants more money ! When you're trying to make all sports competitive for championships it's going to be thinned down. These other schools mainly focus on football the sport that generated the most money. Probably could focus on just a couple of teams every 2 years with all the resources and acquire the players needed to buy a championship. But he focuses on making everyone happy and that rarely works out.
 
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volsagain said:
Yeah all you need to do is Google his AD success. Most of his hires at Buffalo were hired away by power 4 schools . The amount of funds he has raised at each school made them competitive and stronger in all sports. Then there's these large donor schools that have more money for NIL than 97% of the schools can compete with. Everyone wants more money ! When you're trying to make all sports competitive for championships it's going to be thinned down. These other schools mainly focus on football the sport that generated the most money. Probably could focus on just a couple of teams every 2 years with all the resources and acquire the players needed to buy a championship. But he focuses on making everyone happy and that rarely works out.
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He definitely has the connects. Therein lies his value.
 
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mudcat1973 said:
Seriously what was Danny white best hired coach finished here and before Tennessee?
Football coach, basketball coach, basketball coach, baseball or softball, volleyball, soccer or any sport any one to name.
Talking national championship first.
National championship appearances.
World series baseball or softball.
Have not looked into Danny white past hires but since some on here say he is best great athletic director Tennessee ever had.
with a track record of great hires as some say.
Then it should easily to name some of his best hires and great season finishes.

Know this well be unpopular but was wondering if Danny white had hired a national championship coach before.
Since he has a reputation of great hiring ad.

Know Danny white is bringing in the money.
This about his eye for hiring national championship coach.

Know Kellie gone but remember seeing some where Kellie and/or Sam asked for NIL funding.

Baseball coach said players wanted to talk about money.
Danny white came out to say women's basketball wasn't not getting money from the baseball team.
Clearly some though baseball team should have got more support.

Soccer coach would been hard to keep.
But he had number seed in the tournament and national coach of the year at Maryland before being hired at Knoxville.
Higher public contact offer and more support nil spending might kept him here.
At least show the soccer fans Danny White tried to keep a coach he inherited.

Instead Florida state hired him away Seminoles win two national championship after he left.
Now didn't watch no soccer after Tennessee lost talking waywardvol post on that. Two national champichampionship know sure he won year after leaving Tennessee.

Know allot said Kellie had enough time.
But I still see a lot of fans on Facebook still talking about how she got bad deal support wise.
More people bad mouth a beloved Tennessee lady player.
the more flare up you are going to have from time to time.

The ad who hired Pat Summit
And ad who hired the Robert Neyland General football coach now those were Tennessee best hires for national championship coach

Careful Chuck with those leading props
Never know who ready to blow
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That’s some authentic frontier gibberish right there!
 
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RetroVol said:
As I think has been made clear in these discussions, there are reasons to think Kim's approach won't work (and reasons to think it will). We will see. But, to me, when you call for this redistribution of minutes, it's a call for a fundamental re-direct of the way Kim coaches. It's a system. Tinker with one part and all the rest have to change. And, if what is desired is for the Lady Vols to play much closer to the way most P4 teams play, then is there any reason to think Kim Caldwell is the right coach to lead that effort? She's definitely the right coach to work with this approach. She's adapted it throughout her career, and it looks to me like is still adjusting. But to just play like other teams? No particular experience or demonstrated expertise.

Not saying that's an unreasonable opinion to hold, even if I'm not there yet. I'd still like to see her make her approach work on this level even better than it has so far. I think it would be good for women's basketball.
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The system is working against teams less talented mainly because they don't have the type point guard or guards in general that can beat the press and trap. The system fails when you have these type players. She can keep the same system it just needs to be tweaked to a different style as the talent of the team is analyzed. Most notably not selling out with the press and trap like they do no matter the opponent. It dominates teams like Indiana St and results in a lot of uncontested layups for a team like Louisville. Against these teams you have to use more of a slow down press to shorten their shot clock more than an all out press that they can get behind.

Second would be to tweak the substitutions. Sixty to Ninety seconds just doesn't make sense. I can't see any player not having the VO2 max to not be able to go three minutes hard without coming out of the game. You also can't have a free for all with every player allowed to take any shot they desire. Every player has shot strengths and weaknesses and they should stick to their strengths and avoid their shot weaknesses.

Third the top five players should be playing at least 30 even in this system. Our second five does not have the talent level of our top five so they need to play less in games against the top teams. Can definitely use them more against easier competition.
 
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WaywardVol said:
The change needed was for Kelly to get the same NIL opportunities. Period. It’s well documented who she lost due to this factor alone.

Danny inherited two of the best coaches in UT history. Despite the terrible leadership, he woke up on 3rd base in that regard. One of those is gone and the other is close to retirement. Caldwell looks like a person who’d rather be home with her newborn.

Oh, he also inherited the best soccer coach in the country. The soccer coach he lost to FSU just won his 2nd national Championship in 5 years. He also inherited the best softball coach in the history of the program.

So please, stop telling me how great Danny Dollars is. He’s a schmuck.
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I'm sure Mizzou has a message board for womens sports that you can continue your Kelly love letters on. Why are you still posting here if you hate DW so much?
DW can raise a lot of $ and he knows FB is where most of it is and he spreads the wealth among the other sports that did not used to get much. like the LV's.

Hate him all you want but he is not the idiot you want him to be.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
I'm sure Mizzou has a message board for womens sports that you can continue your Kelly love letters on. Why are you still posting here if you hate DW so much?
DW can raise a lot of $ and he knows FB is where most of it is and he spreads the wealth among the other sports that did not used to get much. like the LV's.

Hate him all you want but he is not the idiot you want him to be.
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I think he can raise money and bring in cash… I guess that’s all that matters at the end of the day. But to not question why we didn’t get a more proven WBB coach (unless this job is just that undesirable) is fair.

On another note is it me or does it seem like our team not only doesn’t play hard, the scheme, the players attitudes but also the other things that made the LVs special is slowly disappearing ? I use to love all the volunteering we did as a team and adopting a family for christmas but it seems like those things that were bigger than basketball are also disappearing.

Did we adopt a family like we had in the past? And i’m one of the biggest LV fans on here and not going anywhere with my team (as hard as it is to swallow right now and hopefully we turn it around) but i’m curious if those little things also are playing into what is seemingly going on.
 
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