The Kim Caldwell System

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gule said:
If you get to ask those questions to CKC, where would you want to be buried? lol
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LOL but those are the tough questions she should be answering given that she had not shown the ability to play with the best teams in the NCAA.
 
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LVFL78 said:
Kim doesn’t handle subs…it’s her assistant That came over from Glenville state. Subs are pr determined more than likely rather than feel.. the only feel is more than likely from fouls… this imo where the chances need to happen. If a matchup is in in favor of us… then we have to take advatags… when we go on a run… ride it for another min to 2… If a player is playing like dogshit then skip their turn the next schedule sub you have for her… if a player has hit 2-3 threes in a row.. ride her For another pattern. the coach subbing is lacking the feel for the game… the flow… and the reading of who ja playing well within the momen… the mass subbing doesn’t bother me it’s the above stuff that I feel like coach B is lacking. Each game and each quarter and each 4-5 mins are very important for the coach to read/ feel/ and have knowledge of what’s going on… for example, If a certain player is taking a bad shots not within the offense or not sharing the ball or pressing like you want… you punish and reward who is… right now regardlless the top 10 players know they are going to play regardless so that the downside… but you can still reward and punish within the system without them knowing.
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Basically, substitutions then is a pre-game decision not a "what needs to happen" in the context of the game.

The question I would have is whether any coach, including CKC, has a good feel for the game as it happens - or are they just riding it along believing that the flow of the game will change as it happens. If it is the latter, then the coaches may as well just go get food and watch the game from the stands and give the players a chart which tells them when to substitute.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Here is the rankings for WBB by 3P% of shots taken. You can see that none of the P4 teams outside of UT shoot the 3 at that high of a rate. It’s an interesting list to be sure.

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With this Tennessee team it should be 70 to 30 in the least. The 46 percent for a team that shoots three like we do is an embarrassing stat. A true reason why we've seen some games go sideways in the second half of games. I don't want to dumb it down for our players and coaching staff, but we've score 573 points from the three on 632 attempts and 744 points from the two on 740 attempts. Seems to me you would want to push that shooting more towards the two point shot with this team. When your threes are getting you 0.9 and your twos are getting you 1.01 seems your best opportunity for points is the latter.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Basically, substitutions then is a pre-game decision not a "what needs to happen" in the context of the game.
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We don't really know much about how substitutions are being handled now, unless someone has recent statements from the coaching staff that I haven't seen.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Can we all now just agree that this system doesn't work against the best teams at this level?

Marshall losing in the NCAA like they did should have been a big red flag.
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If she had stayed out Marshall and was proven getting to the tourney and maybe a second round or S16 with that level then maybe but it is really questionable…

i dunno if the Walz rumors about him not wanting to come are true or why we couldn’t get another proven coach. A Kim Barnes Arico , Cori Close, someone throw a bag at them and hope it sticks! Especially with this fan base and the history with this program. If we were going to make a change it should have been for someone proven.

What other coaches might have fit here ?
 
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I have been saying all season that this system doesn’t work against the elites of the women game! Those teams are too disciplined for that weak press defense, and too disciplined to make the Lady Vols jack up 3 after 3…

Yet, Kim is too stubborn to ever tweak her system to fit the team strength she has.. She have young, athletic guards who should be getting downhill more, setting high screens and actually moving on offense instead of standing in one spot watching their teammate jack up a 3 after missed 3..

Constantly runnning the same pressing defense which is easily scouted, and let’s not even begin to talk about the constant subbing that probably keeps the ladies out of getting a good rhythm… but yet Kim still believes that her system will work while constantly losing to big programs!!

Luckily for her, the freshman seems to actually want to play for her during the growing pains, but the vets have definitely clocked out! A non chalant coach, trying to get an undisciplined, bad body language team is a recipe for a locker room and chemistry disaster.. I hope they make the NCAA tourney with the schedule that’s remaining, but mentally, this season is practically over for me personally! Still rooting for the ladies, but Looking forward to next season!
 
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volfan102455 said:
Basically, substitutions then is a pre-game decision not a "what needs to happen" in the context of the game.

The question I would have is whether any coach, including CKC, has a good feel for the game as it happens - or are they just riding it along believing that the flow of the game will change as it happens. If it is the latter, then the coaches may as well just go get food and watch the game from the stands and give the players a chart which tells them when to substitute.
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You have to have a good coach to know to trust her players, sit her players, give them extended minutes and etc. The assistant coach that is doing the subbing has to be ready
 
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Dainfluencer8 said:
Luckily for her, the freshman seems to actually want to play for her during the growing pains, but the vets have definitely clocked out! A non chalant coach, trying to get an undisciplined, bad body language team is a recipe for a locker room and chemistry disaster.. I hope they make the NCAA tourney with the schedule that’s remaining, but mentally, this season is practically over for me personally! Still rooting for the ladies, but Looking forward to next season!
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And this speaks to the heart why I'm upset with Zee and Talaysia because they played in this system last year. It's not like they are in the Nya and Janiah situation with this system. They at least know, but that speaks to the lack of leadership those two have.
 
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LadyVolsDiehard said:
And this speaks to the heart why I'm upset with Zee and Talaysia because they played in this system last year. It's not like they are in the Nya and Janiah situation with this system. They at least know, but that speaks to the lack of leadership those two have.
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I think Latham plays hard , not that you said she didn't, but most of the upperclassmen don't.
 
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AllVols3 said:
I think Latham plays hard , not that you said she didn't, but most of the upperclassmen don't.
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Alyssa Latham is a good glue player I just wish she could add more scoring to her game. With her size she should be more more like a Pashen Thompson/Tamika Williams(conn).
 
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gule said:
we ain't skeered
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y'oughta be!

Gule - I will apologize in advance. I have read and enjoyed your comments on this forum for a long time but this one was just too good to pass up. I hope you read it with the humor that was intended. ;)
 
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Dainfluencer8 said:
I have been saying all season that this system doesn’t work against the elites of the women game! Those teams are too disciplined for that weak press defense, and too disciplined to make the Lady Vols jack up 3 after 3…

Yet, Kim is too stubborn to ever tweak her system to fit the team strength she has.. She have young, athletic guards who should be getting downhill more, setting high screens and actually moving on offense instead of standing in one spot watching their teammate jack up a 3 after missed 3..

Constantly runnning the same pressing defense which is easily scouted, and let’s not even begin to talk about the constant subbing that probably keeps the ladies out of getting a good rhythm… but yet Kim still believes that her system will work while constantly losing to big programs!!

Luckily for her, the freshman seems to actually want to play for her during the growing pains, but the vets have definitely clocked out! A non chalant coach, trying to get an undisciplined, bad body language team is a recipe for a locker room and chemistry disaster.. I hope they make the NCAA tourney with the schedule that’s remaining, but mentally, this season is practically over for me personally! Still rooting for the ladies, but Looking forward to next season!
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Like I said in an earlier post the best i see
Is an 18 -10 win loss by the end of February.
If she is stubborn like a couple of ex football
Coaches and won't change her system to a
More conventional one next year could be
Her last. If we don't make March madness
It could be this season. Jmo.
 
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As bad as we look offense sometimes that is mostly because none of the players on the roster are very good at shooting the ball. The defense can be terrible because all we know how to play is a man to man and the good coaches or at least the ones with talented players find the people they can exploit and score on at will. SC shot almost 70 percent from the field and we usually give up well over 50 percent to the top teams. Even if we were good at offense, which we are not, were never going to be good enough to put up 90 plus on these top teams. They are going to find a defense to get some stops cause their team knows how to play more than a man to man.

Remember last year when we would score 88 and the other team would get 89. I think that happened against Oklahoma and something similar versus LSU and at Texas. We score well over 80 in all those games and lost all three.
 
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I think Caldwell has boxed herself in to a Catch-22. She sells "freedom" to recruits and transfers, which basically equates to players being put in situations that don't play to their strengths. Apparently she thinks shooting 45 threes in a game is "freedom". But if she suddenly takes that "freedom" away, her selling point is now null and void and what is there left to sell about her system?
 
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Chippo said:
Like I said in an earlier post the best i see
Is an 18 -10 win loss by the end of February.
If she is stubborn like a couple of ex football
Coaches and won't change her system to a
More conventional one next year could be
Her last. If we don't make March madness
It could be this season. Jmo.
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0% chance of this being her last season. No matter the outcome
 
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And1 said:
I think Caldwell has boxed herself in to a Catch-22. She sells "freedom" to recruits and transfers, which basically equates to players being put in situations that don't play to their strengths. Apparently she thinks shooting 45 threes in a game is "freedom". But if she suddenly takes that "freedom" away, her selling point is now null and void and what is there left to sell about her system?
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Plus not going to work my butt off for forty minutes in her gimmicky system like some of the players did not all and have it thrown at me that I quit. If you think you have to go there as a coach name names not everyone. Going there in the first place is a huge problem.
 
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I thnk Kim is trying to do tough love, which she believes in very deeply, but its coming across as petulance and obstinance. And has no apparent alternative presentation. I'd say she's getting some wise advice and counsel on that as we speak.

She could start with the wise advice Dawn gave her. Kim seems to have mixed up what you say publicly and what you keep in the family.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Plus not going to work my butt off for forty minutes in her gimmicky system like some of the players did not all and have it thrown at me that I quit. If you think you have to go there as a coach name names not everyone. Going there in the first place is a huge problem.
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Yep, she made matters worse by throwing players under the bus publicly (even if her assertions are true). I previously scoffed at all the talk of a mass exodus prior to this, but now I wouldn't be surprised at all, unless there is some miracle ending to this season. Who wants to play for a coach that doesn't take any accountability themselves? I guess we'll see what both the players and coaches are made of in these remaining games.
 
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