The Kiffin hire: a retrospective

#51
#51
gators21vols19 said:
No. The fact that he was 5-15 at Oakland, 7-6 at UT and is looking at anywhere from 8-4 to 6-6 at USC means he can't coach. The fact that he left both places he was in complete shambles means he can't coach. The fact that he can't even beat Washington means he can't coach.
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Amen. Amen. Amen.
 
#52
#52
gators21vols19 said:
The fact that he can't even beat Washington means he can't coach.
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Fulmer has losses to Memphis, Vanderbilt, and Wyoming on his resume. That must make him even worse than I originally thought.
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#53
#53
SGMVols said:
Fulmer has losses to Memphis, Vanderbilt, and Wyoming on his resume. That must make him even worse than I originally thought.
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Over 17 seasons, not 2. Kiffin did in 2 years of HC what it took 17 seasons and 200+ games for Fulmer to happen to -- losing to a much less talented team 3 times in a coaching career.

Less Recruiting Talented Teams that Beat Kiffin
UCLA '08
Ole Miss '08
Va Tech '08
Washington '09
Stanford '09
Oregon '09

The really bad losses were both at home -- to UCLA and Washington. By contrast, Fulmer lost once to Vandy on the road (Cutler's team who took Meyer's Florida to 2 OTs in the Swamp), lost once to Memphis on the road, and his only loss to a bad team at home was the after he had been summarily fired the Sunday before.
 
#55
#55
VegasVol said:
Over 17 seasons, not 2. Kiffin did in 2 years of HC what it took 17 seasons and 200+ games for Fulmer to happen to -- losing to a much less talented team 3 times in a coaching career.
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you can't be serious. I guess SCjr or ND were more talented in 05. How about probation riddled bama teams?
 
#56
#56
VegasVol said:
Over 17 seasons, not 2. Kiffin did in 2 years of HC what it took 17 seasons and 200+ games for Fulmer to happen to -- losing to a much less talented team 3 times in a coaching career.

Less Recruiting Talented Teams that Beat Kiffin
UCLA '08
Ole Miss '08
Va Tech '08
Washington '09
Stanford '09
Oregon '09

The really bad losses were both at home -- to UCLA and Washington. By contrast, Fulmer lost once to Vandy on the road (Cutler's team who took Meyer's Florida to 2 OTs in the Swamp), lost once to Memphis on the road, and his only loss to a bad team at home was the after he had been summarily fired the Sunday before.
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Fulmer lost to Vandy at home, not on the road and as usual, your selective memory makes it very difficult to take any of your posts too seriously
 
#57
#57
VegasVol said:
Over 17 seasons, not 2. Kiffin did in 2 years of HC what it took 17 seasons and 200+ games for Fulmer to happen to -- losing to a much less talented team 3 times in a coaching career.

Less Recruiting Talented Teams that Beat Kiffin
UCLA '08
Ole Miss '08
Va Tech '08
Washington '09
Stanford '09
Oregon '09

The really bad losses were both at home -- to UCLA and Washington. By contrast, Fulmer lost once to Vandy on the road (Cutler's team who took Meyer's Florida to 2 OTs in the Swamp), lost once to Memphis on the road, and his only loss to a bad team at home was the after he had been summarily fired the Sunday before.
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The Vandy loss was at Neyland and I was there. Had we won we would have been bowl eligible. That was a talented team that performed miserably all year on the offensive side of the ball.
 
#58
#58
SGMVols said:
Fulmer has losses to Memphis, Vanderbilt, and Wyoming on his resume. That must make him even worse than I originally thought.
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Kiffin will not have the career Fulmer had. I know you love Lane and hate Phil but there were ten years in that span that Lane will never touch wherever he coaches. I liked the kiffin hire and thought Phil's time had come but now I wish we hadn't hired Lane at all. It was a good time last year even though it was probably our third worst year in the last 20 prior.
 
#59
#59
thebjd said:
Kiffin will not have the career Fulmer had.
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Probably not, since he won't have the luxury of coaching against an entire conference of mental retards like The Fat Fired Failure did in the 90s.
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#60
#60
It's so easy, after the fact, to say the Kiffin hire was a bad one. What were the chances USC would come calling after one year? I personally think he is a punk, but the guy knows what he is doing. Several of our senior players stated publicly they wish they could have played for him longer. All the BS about him wanting to change the environment to more like USC is just that, BS. He didn't want to do away with all of our traditions. He was sticking to the ones I deem most important. The attrition associated with him coming on board and him leaving has set us back a little. Make no mistake, we were already cruising along in mediocrity with no real hopes of getting back to the top. Sometimes you have to purge out everything about a long term coach when it goes as bad as Fulmer's last years. I would much rather be struggling right now with talented freshman and knowing we laying a solid foundation than to flounder perpetually into mediocrity. I will take 5-7 or 6-6 right now knowing it is going to continue to evolve into something special rather than going 8-4 every year and knowing there isn't any real chance of getting back to the top. I don't if Dooley can build from the ground up, but I do like his chances. We do know, however, that CPF never built anything from the ground up and wasn't showing any signs of getting back to the 1990s level of play. Just my $0.02
 
#61
#61
Kiffin was a hire that generated excitement, but it became obvious very quickly that he was/is young and still learning how to be a head coach. Will he be successful? Maybe, only time will tell.

Unfortunately, we have another coach that is learning how to run a team from the head job. But from all indications, Dooley's progression is moving faster than Kiffin's.

Dooley has displayed a learn and adapt mentality, versus Kiffin that remains hard headed to make the round peg fit in the square hole approach.
 
#66
#66
I will give Kiffen credit for zoning in on recruiting FULTON and JAMES for the OL and Miller for DL. I was excited at first, then he turned into a USED CAR SALESMEN or a guy on a late night commerical selling the turbo cooker.... He act got old very quickly....
 
#67
#67
SEC Nightmare said:
1. Oakland is a train wreck organization. Not much anyone could do to win there.

2. 7-6 as a first year SEC coach is not that bad imo...what were you expecting a national championship?



Left in shambles huh, how were the Raiders and UT doing before Kiffin? Not good. If anything, he left it that way he found it.
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UT was not very good. Neither were the Raiders. Did Kiffin improve either? No. Isn't that his job? I think so. Why hire a new coach for the status quo?
 
#69
#69
SGMVols said:
Probably not, since he won't have the luxury of coaching against an entire conference of mental retards like The Fat Fired Failure did in the 90s.
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You say this or something similar quite frequently, but then you also laud Spurrier as a great coach during the same era.

Can't have it both ways Sam.
 
#71
#71
SandstoneVol said:
It's so easy, after the fact, to say the Kiffin hire was a bad one. What were the chances USC would come calling after one year? I personally think he is a punk, but the guy knows what he is doing. Several of our senior players stated publicly they wish they could have played for him longer. All the BS about him wanting to change the environment to more like USC is just that, BS. He didn't want to do away with all of our traditions. He was sticking to the ones I deem most important. The attrition associated with him coming on board and him leaving has set us back a little. Make no mistake, we were already cruising along in mediocrity with no real hopes of getting back to the top. Sometimes you have to purge out everything about a long term coach when it goes as bad as Fulmer's last years. I would much rather be struggling right now with talented freshman and knowing we laying a solid foundation than to flounder perpetually into mediocrity. I will take 5-7 or 6-6 right now knowing it is going to continue to evolve into something special rather than going 8-4 every year and knowing there isn't any real chance of getting back to the top. I don't if Dooley can build from the ground up, but I do like his chances. We do know, however, that CPF never built anything from the ground up and wasn't showing any signs of getting back to the 1990s level of play. Just my $0.02
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"....the guy knows what he is doing...." Washington.
 
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#72
#72
hohenfelsvol said:
You do realize Pete Carol lost to Washington his last season?
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1 4 2 8 1

those are the recruiting class ranks for USC's last 5. for any lurking 'turds who can't cipher, the average rank is 3.

kiffy can't rule with 'em this year. carroll couldn't rule with 'em last year. in the PAC 10.

mack brown and les miles are often vituperated on this board for not winning despite being recruiting machines. can kiffy come into the clubhouse?
 
#73
#73
VOODOOVOL said:
You say this or something similar quite frequently, but then you also laud Spurrier as a great coach during the same era.
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Sure, if Fulmer had been the one kicking Spurrier's ass every year instead of the other way around, I'd have no problem giving him credit for being a great coach. Piling up wins against Bill Curry, Ray Goff, Mike Dubose, Mike Shula, Ron Zook, Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Rod Dowhower, and Gerry DiNardo doesn't exactly require superior coaching acumen.
 
#74
#74
SGMVols said:
Sure, if Fulmer had been the one kicking Spurrier's ass every year instead of the other way around, I'd have no problem giving him credit for being a great coach. Piling up wins against Bill Curry, Ray Goff, Mike Dubose, Mike Shula, Ron Zook, Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Rod Dowhower, and Gerry DiNardo doesn't exactly require superior coaching acumen.
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You conveniently left out the part where I said you can't have it both ways.

First, where did I say Fulmer was a great coach?

Second, as I did say, you can't use the argument that Spurrier was a great coach for beating the coaches you mentioned and then say the only reason Fulmer won was because all the other coaches sucked.
 
#75
#75
SGMVols said:
Sure, if Fulmer had been the one kicking Spurrier's ass every year instead of the other way around, I'd have no problem giving him credit for being a great coach. Piling up wins against Bill Curry, Ray Goff, Mike Dubose, Mike Shula, Ron Zook, Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Rod Dowhower, and Gerry DiNardo doesn't exactly require superior coaching acumen.
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Those coaches were fired because they couldn't beat Fulmer or Spurrier. Winning all of those games and recruiting all of those NFL players wasn't just luck. We should move on from Fulmer but I think after two years we can give him some credit for the good he did while he was here. Piling up wins is piling up wins. He also beat many great coaches. I think it was time for him to go but now we should probably celebrate his accomplishments, show some respect for the second best coaching run in UT history and move on.
 
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