The Kiffen Saga So Far

#26
#26
And Notre Dame sucks. Their recruiting classes are always overrated if that's the talent you were referring to...
 
#27
#27
VolBeef88 said:
When people wont even give the coach a chance to actually coach the team before bashing him they deserve to be trashed for the dolts they are.
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I guess since you missed the 3 or 4 times I said throughout my post that we will see in the coming falls if the deserves the hype or not I will state it again. We will see how good of a coach he is when the teams start playing my post was simply stating the reasons we will or will not be successful have little to do with our off season program and trash talking opposing coaches. I will evaluate Lane Kiffin 3-4 years from now I just am confused when I see posters talking about a 10 win season and saying its a good thing our coach is acting like a fool when the microphone is put near him, which btw also has nothing to do with the team he puts on the field. I just want our coach to stop talking and making our school look bad until he has proven himself as a coach. Now I'm going to go and enjoy a basketball game I will respond to the others later.
 
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#28
mattvols said:
I guess since you missed the 3 or 4 times I said throughout my post that we will see in the coming falls if the deserves the hype or not I will state it again. We will see how good of a coach he is when the teams start playing my post was simply stating the reasons we will or will not be successful have little to do with our off season program and trash talking opposing coaches. I will evaluate Lane Kiffin 3-4 years from now I just am confused when I see posters talking about a 10 win season and saying its a good thing our coach is acting like a fool when the microphone is put near him, which btw also has nothing to do with the team he puts on the field. I just want our coach to stop talking and making our school look bad until he has proven himself as a coach. Now I'm going to go and enjoy a basketball game I will respond to the others later.
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I see you have trouble typing but you must also have trouble reading. I was talking to troll5150 not you.
 
#29
#29
Vols5150 said:
Matt, you make some valid points, but with this "kill the messenger" mentality we have going on in here, you won't get alot of positive (or even neutral) response.

They will come to their senses at some point. Maybe.
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You giving advice regarding being level headed and neutral is like Britney Spears giving sobriety tips to Paris Hilton.
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#30
#30
:clap: Kiffin is doing this to fire up vol fans and to bring national attention! It`s working! [Relax and enjoy]
 
#31
#31
hohenfelsvol said:
You giving advice regarding being level headed and neutral is like Britney Spears giving sobriety tips to Paris Hilton.
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And you being a NV Guru doesn't make you smart. It just means you have alot of time on your hands.

Ironically, you are enamored with LK as much as I detest him. So please, don't talk as if you've got an objective bone in your body.
 
#33
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Vols5150 said:
And you being a NV Guru doesn't make you smart. It just means you have alot of time on your hands.

Ironically, you are enamored with LK as much as I detest him. So please, don't talk as if you've got an objective bone in your body.
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There are very few that are "enamored" with Kiffin. Most of us simply don't see the need to write him off before he coaches a game. If he goes 0-12 next season I'll be ready to do that. If he goes 12-0, I'm betting you won't be changing positions.
 
#34
#34
If it was not for the young coach writing checks with his mouth (which may or may not be cashed in the fall), we would be in a dead period on VN....or at least doing the usual infighting.

So, we should enjoy the entertainment until at least spring practice.
 
#35
#35
Is what he did at USC something? USC had 4th and a couple inches in the NC game with Texas. Pete Carroll decided to punt the ball. Then the defense let them roll down the field. Carroll cost them the championship. Not Lane.
 
#36
#36
mattvols said:
First and foremost I want to say that I wish the best for Lane Kiffin and that he will be extremely successful but what has gone on so far is nothing short of embarrassing. Everyone is acting as though this off season program is something special and that will put us over the top of other schools but I dont think people know that by us implementing this program we are simply becoming equal to all the other elite teams. We were just long overdue for a program like this, that other programs have been running for years. I've got a couple good friend that plays for Carson-Newman and they have been running a similar morning conditioning program for the past 8-10 years. So this is nothing new we are simply just catching up and running similar programs. Conditioning IMO is more about making guys tougher and making players come together as a team then actually improving play on the field as football players dont need to be able to run a marathon they just need to get able to go full speed for 10 second bursts the whole night with breaks in between. It is good though that Kiffen is catching us up and that is his goal, I'm just simply saying the off season morning runs will not be what puts us back where we need to be, that will be on the practice field. Ed Orgeron ran a similar off season program recruited well and was intense and passionate and that led to not many wins so there is alot more to winning than just recruiting and a hard off season program. Lane Kiffin so far off the field of play so far has done nothing but replace the early vision of an enthusiastic young coach to a cocky arrogant young coach who has really yet to do anything for himself. He needs to do something very simple just shut up and coach and let the team do the talking on Saturdays. I think this offense will struggle again year one but we will see how much of a coach we do have years 3 & 4 when we have a team of almost all Kiffin boys. Thats when you see how good a coach really is. In conclusion I hope we get some wins this season and he takes us to the top but he needs to quit being an embarrassment until he has done anything worth noting.
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makes me look like a rocket scientist :p
 
#38
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Vols5150 said:
And you being a NV Guru doesn't make you smart. It just means you have alot of time on your hands.

Ironically, you are enamored with LK as much as I detest him. So please, don't talk as if you've got an objective bone in your body.
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Because I'm liking the direction in general of the program and not shooting him down with every post or thread you label me as enamored then so be it. Your hate is keeping you warm at night. Good for you. I'm ready to wait for football.

No comeback on the guru status comment. That was just so whitty and insightful. Keep up the good work Phil. You now have much more time on your hands so you'll surpass my count in one year when it took me three plus years. And your getting a cool $125k a month to do it.
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#39
#39
Vols5150 said:
And you being a NV Guru doesn't make you smart. It just means you have alot of time on your hands.

Ironically, you are enamored with LK as much as I detest him. So please, don't talk as if you've got an objective bone in your body.
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Somebody should start a thread for everybody to guess what a NV Guru is.... I'll start, Non Volatile?
 
#40
#40
I'm starting to get a sense that alot of the anger towards Lane is out of jealousy. Monty, Ed, David Reaves, Lance Thompson, Mitch Browning, Garza would never had come here for any other coach. Only Gran and Chaney would have come with a different coach. Lane used his connections to get the job. He also is rich and has a beautiful wife and family. I think alot of fans would prefer to have coaches more like themselves. That they can relate to. They miss the morbidly obese coaches with the triple chins. They still are crying over Phil and 3rd and Chavis. I remember how funny it was last year when everyone was complementing how good Phil and Chavis looked cause they went from 400 pounds to 350 pounds.
 
#41
#41
Vols5150 said:
And you being a NV Guru doesn't make you smart. It just means you have alot of time on your hands.

Ironically, you are enamored with LK as much as I detest him. So please, don't talk as if you've got an objective bone in your body.
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And therein lies your problem. Your obvious hate for the man renders any of your statements sorely lacking in objectivity. You state you detest Kiffin, but I fail to see how you could arrive at such feelings in such a short period of time. Is there some hidden man-love for our previous coach tainting your judgement?
 
#43
#43
mattvols said:
First and foremost I want to say that I wish the best for Lane Kiffin and that he will be extremely successful but what has gone on so far is nothing short of embarrassing. Everyone is acting as though this off season program is something special and that will put us over the top of other schools but I dont think people know that by us implementing this program we are simply becoming equal to all the other elite teams. We were just long overdue for a program like this, that other programs have been running for years. I've got a couple good friend that plays for Carson-Newman and they have been running a similar morning conditioning program for the past 8-10 years. So this is nothing new we are simply just catching up and running similar programs. Conditioning IMO is more about making guys tougher and making players come together as a team then actually improving play on the field as football players dont need to be able to run a marathon they just need to get able to go full speed for 10 second bursts the whole night with breaks in between. It is good though that Kiffen is catching us up and that is his goal, I'm just simply saying the off season morning runs will not be what puts us back where we need to be, that will be on the practice field. Ed Orgeron ran a similar off season program recruited well and was intense and passionate and that led to not many wins so there is alot more to winning than just recruiting and a hard off season program. Lane Kiffin so far off the field of play so far has done nothing but replace the early vision of an enthusiastic young coach to a cocky arrogant young coach who has really yet to do anything for himself. He needs to do something very simple just shut up and coach and let the team do the talking on Saturdays. I think this offense will struggle again year one but we will see how much of a coach we do have years 3 & 4 when we have a team of almost all Kiffin boys. Thats when you see how good a coach really is. In conclusion I hope we get some wins this season and he takes us to the top but he needs to quit being an embarrassment until he has done anything worth noting.
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First and foremost It's spelled Kiffin:good!:
 
#46
#46
mike hamilton said:
I'm starting to get a sense that alot of the anger towards Lane is out of jealousy. Monty, Ed, David Reaves, Lance Thompson, Mitch Browning, Garza would never had come here for any other coach. Only Gran and Chaney would have come with a different coach. Lane used his connections to get the job. He also is rich and has a beautiful wife and family. I think alot of fans would prefer to have coaches more like themselves. That they can relate to. They miss the morbidly obese coaches with the triple chins. They still are crying over Phil and 3rd and Chavis. I remember how funny it was last year when everyone was complementing how good Phil and Chavis looked cause they went from 400 pounds to 350 pounds.
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Very good point. And don't you think every HC that lost an assistant coach to CLK already has a chip on their shoulder? Of course everyone else wants him to fail. I'm glad he's relevant enough that many are worried about it.
 
#47
#47
mattvols said:
First and foremost I want to say that I wish the best for Lane Kiffin and that he will be extremely successful but what has gone on so far is nothing short of embarrassing.
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watching last year's team was far more embarrassing than anything Kiffin has done thus far.
 
#50
#50
IN Jed said:
watching last year's team was far more embarrassing than anything Kiffin has done thus far.
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You act as though I'm defending Fulmer. I think Fulmer should have been fired and I think Kiffin was the best of the coaches available. I just think Kiffin needs to learn the rules and close his mouth until he has done anything worth while. I was also simply stating that his off season program is not really much different then from what everyone else is doing. I just dont get how everyone is so enamored by this guy when he has done nothing yet. I have hope in him but this trash talk is getting us no were and is embarassing to the University. Trash talk does not improve any situation even if you back it up you still look arrogant.
 
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