The Kelly/Kiffin/Leach Equation

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I believe if we were getting kiffen it would already be announced i think were waiting for a college coach to finish there season but why isnt kiffen signing with n e one else. Its nerve rackin ill need the prozac until we hire someone.
 
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ALLVOL1220 said:
Kiffin is the best choice because of the staff he would assemble and his recruiting prowess.
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I don't get this argument at all. You mean to tell me you're OK with UT paying someone multi-millions of dollars a year to have someone else on staff? Seriously?

What happens when the staff he brings leaves for other jobs b/c they are so good, and we have Kiffin on contract with a buy-out.

If you think Kiffin is the right guy b/c he's the right guy, then by all means... If you want Kiffin just to get others, you're looking for another letdown.
 
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"I remember at Central Michigan, somebody asked him how long the rebuilding cycle would be. He said, 'About 10 seconds.'"

Nakamura won't soon forget Kelly's first meeting with the team. Players were upset about Dantonio's departure and skeptical of a new regime as they prepared for the International Bowl against Western Michigan.

"When he first walked into our new meeting room, you could feel this energy," Nakamura said. "There was just this spark about him. The second he started speaking, the excitement in his voice was just awesome. He said, 'My goal here isn't to rebuild, it's to win a Big East championship.' He basically said, 'I'm a winner.'"

Definitely has the attitude we need. Like a lot of other fans in the Orange Nation, the more I hear about Kelly the better he sounds.
 
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Guys i'm hearing a lot of chatter on Volquest and VolChat that Kiffen will be coach. Look for an announcment the Monday following the UK game.
 
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If it's a 12/01 announcement = Kiffin
If it's a 12/08 announcement = Kelly

Based soley on Kelly's remaining schedule and deductive reasoning :crazy: , I have no inside sources.
 
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Kelley, to me, is the top choice by far. He will build quickly, knows x's and o's, and will be a tough challenge for Meyer, Saban, and Richt to beat consistently. I can't say that I feel the same way about Kiffin.

If Tennessee does not hire Kelley, I honestly feel they'll be making a huge, huge mistake. Not only is the coach great, but he would bring most of his staff with him, which is a huge plus.

And about being unknown, did anybody really know much about Meyer's staff from Utah? And was Meyer really anymore well known at the same time in his career?
 
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JohnsonCityVol said:
Kelley, to me, is the top choice by far. He will build quickly, knows x's and o's, and will be a tough challenge for Meyer, Saban, and Richt to beat consistently. I can't say that I feel the same way about Kiffin.

If Tennessee does not hire Kelley, I honestly feel they'll be making a huge, huge mistake. Not only is the coach great, but he would bring most of his staff with him, which is a huge plus.

And about being unknown, did anybody really know much about Meyer's staff from Utah? And was Meyer really anymore well known at the same time in his career?
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If Butch Davis is not an option (I've heard that he his just postering for more money), I think Kelly is the best choice for UT. I live about 20 min. away from Cincy and Kelly has the city absolutely buzzing with excitment. There are some definite similaries between Kelly and Pearl. All Kelly does is win everywhere he goes. However, we are talking about the SEC here...not the MAC or Big East. I think that is the only knock against him, but every great coach has had to be given the chance to prove themselves.
 
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its as simple as some of the people who post on these boards

Kelly = Solid overachieving winner, coaches players up and builds teams fast, wins championships at all levels, sells his program to the players and fans, runs effective offense

Kiffin = exciting young OC with a bad HC first experience, supposedly excellent recruiter even though it was USC he was recruiting for, one years OC experience and one years HC experience. Pretty much wanted by some for his "recruiting prowess"

No comparison...Kelly by a country mile
 
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FenianVol said:
its as simple as some of the people who post on these boards

Kelly = Solid overachieving winner, coaches players up and builds teams fast, wins championships at all levels, sells his program to the players and fans, runs effective offense

Kiffin = exciting young OC with a bad HC first experience, supposedly excellent recruiter even though it was USC he was recruiting for, one years OC experience and one years HC experience. Pretty much wanted by some for his "recruiting prowess"

No comparison...Kelly by a country mile
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One of the biggest knocks I've heard on Kiffin is that the year he was OC at USC, he was co-offensive coordinator, and even then he did not make most of the in game calls. The other OC, Sarkesian, did.
 
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why would you guys want kiffin !
Fulmer was an AWESOME recruiter..
we dont need that.. we need a great Coach !
thats what kelly brings to the table..
and i guarantee that he'll be just fine in recruiting !

he's the new Bruce pearl remember !?
 
#38
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My Leach love has died down after the defense he portrayed against OK,thats scary bad. I really like what I've been hearing about Kelly of late,seems like a proven winner to me. Great motivator too.
 
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FenianVol said:
its as simple as some of the people who post on these boards

Kelly = Solid overachieving winner, coaches players up and builds teams fast, wins championships at all levels, sells his program to the players and fans, runs effective offense

Kiffin = exciting young OC with a bad HC first experience, supposedly excellent recruiter even though it was USC he was recruiting for, one years OC experience and one years HC experience. Pretty much wanted by some for his "recruiting prowess"

No comparison...Kelly by a country mile
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He was an offensive coordinator for 2 years.
 
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kptvol said:
He was an offensive coordinator for 2 years.
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Also, when he was a position coach just about every where he was put players became all-americans and were leaders on the team. There is a reason beyond his dad he rose up so fast. He touched it and it turned to gold. So his ability to coach up players is not in question in my mind. Also, he is a football prodigy as far as Xs and Os anyone on here that thinks Kelly can out chess match him is mistaken. He is young so what we are worried about is his leadership ability as an HC that to me is my biggest concern.

and imo as a Raider fan, it has been tough, he exponentially improved the raiders. They were suddenly blocking and running the ball effectively when he got on board. The team was far more positive and hopeful. Davis like a wrecking ball destroyed everything he would build.

In the end though, his record as a HC is what it is.
 
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Heath Shuler said:
My Leach love has died down after the defense he portrayed against OK,thats scary bad. I really like what I've been hearing about Kelly of late,seems like a proven winner to me. Great motivator too.
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Why did you have any Leach love to begin with? A quick look at his entire coaching record would have revealed that he's had exactly one stellar season, and has never won a conference title.

I'm so thankful that Hamilton is leading the hiring process. He's stated on more than one occasion that the entire body of work for prospective coaches will be evaluated, not just the current season. That's sound judgement.
 
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It has been reported that Hamilton began looking at Kelly last year, admiring his ability to turn programs around. Hamilton has watched every Natti game this year either live or recorded, studying Kelly on decision making, team unity and looking for flaws that would be a red flag. I am not saying Hambone has made his decision, but Kelly is probably high on his realistic HC wish list. Who else has Hambone reviewed as hard? no one is saying.
 
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GmanTN said:
It has been reported that Hamilton began looking at Kelly last year, admiring his ability to turn programs around. Hamilton has watched every Natti game this year either live or recorded, studying Kelly on decision making, team unity and looking for flaws that would be a red flag. I am not saying Hambone has made his decision, but Kelly is probably high on his realistic HC wish list. Who else has Hambone reviewed as hard? no one is saying.
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No one is saying is right! I feel like this job search is as covert as any CIA mission. Leak something already! Tell us who you WON'T hire, at least.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Also, when he was a position coach just about every where he was put players became all-americans and were leaders on the team. There is a reason beyond his dad he rose up so fast. He touched it and it turned to gold. So his ability to coach up players is not in question in my mind. Also, he is a football prodigy as far as Xs and Os anyone on here that thinks Kelly can out chess match him is mistaken. He is young so what we are worried about is his leadership ability as an HC that to me is my biggest concern.

and imo as a Raider fan, it has been tough, he exponentially improved the raiders. They were suddenly blocking and running the ball effectively when he got on board. The team was far more positive and hopeful. Davis like a wrecking ball destroyed everything he would build.

In the end though, his record as a HC is what it is.
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Fact or opinion? My guess would be opinion.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
Fact or opinion? My guess would be opinion.
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True my opinion but also the opinion of many big time coaches and experts. He has impressed many. His success at recruiting and getting the most out of his players as a position coach is fact.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
True my opinion but also the opinion of many big time coaches and experts. He has impressed many. His success at recruiting and getting the most out of his players as a position coach is fact.
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So just to clarify, are you saying Kelly can't get the most out of his players like Kiffen can? Because UC is about to go to the Orange Bowl with a bunch of crappy talent according to you. Imagine what he (Kelly) could do with the talent Kiffen had to play with at USC. Kiffen is a good recruiter i'll give him that much but coaching wise he can't compare with Kelly because he has no resume to prove he can do it. I'm not saying he can't. Just stating the obvious.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
So just to clarify, are you saying Kelly can't get the most out of his players like Kiffen can? Because UC is about to go to the Orange Bowl with a bunch of crappy talent according to you. Imagine what he (Kelly) could do with the talent Kiffen had to play with at USC. Kiffen is a good recruiter i'll give him that much but coaching wise he can't compare with Kelly because he has no resume to prove he can do it. I'm not saying he can't. Just stating the obvious.
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Kiffin has a resume that shows he is very good at coaching up players. Kelly is a good coach is very capable obviously. I am not going to extremes here on Kelly. I have gave him lots of respect. He can coach players up and many other things very well. He is just not a recruiter. And we need someone who can get both things done.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
Kiffin has a resume that shows he is very good at coaching up players. Kelly is a good coach is very capable obviously. I am not going to extremes here on Kelly. I have gave him lots of respect. He can coach players up and many other things very well. He is just not a recruiter. And we need someone who can get both things done.
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But don't you think he could surround himself with some good recruiter/coaches. By the way How do you know Kiffen could get things both things done? Running a program like UT is a lot different than being a position coach at USC. Just curious.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
But don't you think he could surround himself with some good recruiter/coaches. By the way How do you know Kiffen could get things both things done? Running a program like UT is a lot different than being a position coach at USC. Just curious.
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He was the OC at USC for the last two years. He ran the practices on that side of the ball. He has coached Defense in the past as well btw. He did a better job at that then anyone since he left. He brought order for his first year to the raiders. He had all sorts of players contibuting. Then, Davis went nuts and tore it all down. Long before the firing Davis did this. I will give you Kelly is far less suspect as a leader of men, he has a much longer resume then Kiffin in that position.

I am not sure about Kelly and his staff. Do people like working with him? He seems loyal to a few guys. We need someone who knows he will need to get some ace recruiters in here. What if Kelly is too loyal to some guys on his staff. These are all things I would ask him and hope Hammy did if he was considering hiring him.
 
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