The Jarrett Guarantano hate

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I know its been said our running game needs to improve.....I have always thought you didnt need to 30 times to be impactful to the passing game.

My question is what is that number or threshold for YPC to be effective??

With that said I was looking at the YPC of our top 3 rushers since 17 and noticed we avg 4.5 in 2017, 4.6 in 2018 and 4.8 in 19...
 
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are we finishing sentences...?

...is a dual threat qb...that poses no threat!

...is practice heistman recipient v2.0.
 
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sjt18 said:
Wow. And the list they link to... WOW.

I wonder how @PulaskiVolFan dismisses this?

I hope he improves but UT is in big trouble if he doesn't. If he doesn't then Pruitt's future may hinge on how he manages the QB position and how decisively he acts.
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You stink at this, the article states every single thing I've said about JG. He doesn't turn the football over, BM does, he has potential to improve his 2nd season with Chaney, that's been said on here a million times and only the neverJGers argue the point. Both points the neverJG guys argue both presented in the article and their evaluation. Next up in the evaluation was that he got benched for bad play, something even I had no problem with and have stated a couple of times to you before, then the next little QUOTE:

"but was responsible for the go-ahead score in every game UT won down the stretch, finishing all but one of them"

Another point made in the article that most knowledgeable TN fans have pointed out for 3 months yet you and your little boys club of neverJGers have argued he really did nothing during the winning streak, another pure garbage false narrative you like to push.

Finally the article mentions him having the "clutch gene" and then the rankings of him being 6th in the conference, a list that has 1 guy who is not even playing and 2 more that look like they might start the season on the bench.

You can have all those guys from the SEC listed and he's still exactly where I've said he was all along, top half of the SEC with potential to be top 3-5. Once again, you suck at this calling someone out and "gotcha" mentality you seem to live your life by.

You preaching doom and gloom if JG plays is a joke and would get you punched in the face if you or your boy were to say it one day in the locker room after practice.

Pruitt has a 5* QB in house, and good odds at landing both Simpson and Manning, 2 young HS QB who will be highly rated as well as Salter and whoever else they might add. You believing Pruitt is struggling at the QB position is a joke and you only do it because your boy is on the outside looking in. Pruitt is currently in one of the most stable positions in the SEC. As long as Fulmer is AD unless something disastrous was to happen Pruitt will be here, I predict they'll both be here longer than you will.

Below is the last part of the article as you seem to have not read it.

"It’s worth noting that Guarantano has averaged over eight yards a completion and completed over 60 percent of his passes with 28 touchdowns to only 11 interceptions ever since Jeremy Pruitt took over, and this is also his first season since arriving on campus in 2016 playing for the same offensive coordinator. As a result, he has lots more potential this year under Jim Chaney.

Last year, Guarantano completed 59.1 percent of his passes for 2,158 yards, averaging nearly eight and a half yards a completion, with 16 touchdowns and just eight interceptions. He also was benched due to poor performances after UT’s 1-3 start but was responsible for the go-ahead score in every game UT won down the stretch, finishing all but one of them.

With more stability and that proven clutch gene, you have to assume Guarantano’s numbers will improve this year. However, Tennessee football replacing Jauan Jennings, Marquez Callaway and Dominick Wood-Anderson could make that difficult on him.

Guarantano was sixth among SEC quarterbacks, behind Jamie Newman of the Georgia Bulldogs, Kellen Mond of the Texas A&M Aggies, K.J. Costello of the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Mac Jones of the Alabama Crimson Tide and John Rhys Plumlee of the Ole Miss Rebels. With a couple of improvements, though, he could move up a lot higher."

Edit: I mistakenly thought I was replying to someone else but I consider you two to be the same type of folks so no big deal to me.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You stink at this, the article states every single thing I've said about JG. He doesn't turn the football over, BM does, he has potential to improve his 2nd season with Chaney, that's been said on here a million times and only the neverJGers argue the point. Both points the neverJG guys argue both presented in the article and their evaluation. Next up in the evaluation was that he got benched for bad play, something even I had no problem with and have stated a couple of times to you before, then the next little QUOTE:

"but was responsible for the go-ahead score in every game UT won down the stretch, finishing all but one of them"

Another point made in the article that most knowledgeable TN fans have pointed out for 3 months yet you and your little boys club of neverJGers have argued he really did nothing during the winning streak, another pure garbage false narrative you like to push.

Finally the article mentions him having the "clutch gene" and then the rankings of him being 6th in the conference, a list that has 1 guy who is not even playing and 2 more that look like they might start the season on the bench.

You can have all those guys from the SEC listed and he's still exactly where I've said he was all along, top half of the SEC with potential to be top 3-5. Once again, you suck at this calling someone out and "gotcha" mentality you seem to live your life by.

You preaching doom and gloom if JG plays is a joke and would get you punched in the face if you or your boy were to say it one day in the locker room after practice.

Pruitt has a 5* QB in house, and good odds at landing both Simpson and Manning, 2 young HS QB who will be highly rated as well as Salter and whoever else they might add. You believing Pruitt is struggling at the QB position is a joke and you only do it because your boy is on the outside looking in. Pruitt is currently in one of the most stable positions in the SEC. As long as Fulmer is AD unless something disastrous was to happen Pruitt will be here, I predict they'll both be here longer than you will.

Below is the last part of the article as you seem to have not read it.

"It’s worth noting that Guarantano has averaged over eight yards a completion and completed over 60 percent of his passes with 28 touchdowns to only 11 interceptions ever since Jeremy Pruitt took over, and this is also his first season since arriving on campus in 2016 playing for the same offensive coordinator. As a result, he has lots more potential this year under Jim Chaney.

Last year, Guarantano completed 59.1 percent of his passes for 2,158 yards, averaging nearly eight and a half yards a completion, with 16 touchdowns and just eight interceptions. He also was benched due to poor performances after UT’s 1-3 start but was responsible for the go-ahead score in every game UT won down the stretch, finishing all but one of them.

With more stability and that proven clutch gene, you have to assume Guarantano’s numbers will improve this year. However, Tennessee football replacing Jauan Jennings, Marquez Callaway and Dominick Wood-Anderson could make that difficult on him.

Guarantano was sixth among SEC quarterbacks, behind Jamie Newman of the Georgia Bulldogs, Kellen Mond of the Texas A&M Aggies, K.J. Costello of the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Mac Jones of the Alabama Crimson Tide and John Rhys Plumlee of the Ole Miss Rebels. With a couple of improvements, though, he could move up a lot higher."
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Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano — in terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that traveled 10 or more yards since 2018.

Not just last in the SEC, last amongst all FBS QBs.
 
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sjt18 said:
What do you mean by "tear him down"?

Who here questions his effort or desire? I think even those who really do not like him would grudgingly admit that he has all the desire and effort you could ask for.
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Amazing how many people have that reaction to your neverJG mentality. You just brush it off like dandruff acting like it doesn't exist.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You stink at this, the article states every single thing I've said about JG. He doesn't turn the football over, BM does, he has potential to improve his 2nd season with Chaney, that's been said on here a million times and only the neverJGers argue the point. Both points the neverJG guys argue both presented in the article and their evaluation. Next up in the evaluation was that he got benched for bad play, something even I had no problem with and have stated a couple of times to you before, then the next little QUOTE:

"but was responsible for the go-ahead score in every game UT won down the stretch, finishing all but one of them"

Another point made in the article that most knowledgeable TN fans have pointed out for 3 months yet you and your little boys club of neverJGers have argued he really did nothing during the winning streak, another pure garbage false narrative you like to push.

Finally the article mentions him having the "clutch gene" and then the rankings of him being 6th in the conference, a list that has 1 guy who is not even playing and 2 more that look like they might start the season on the bench.

You can have all those guys from the SEC listed and he's still exactly where I've said he was all along, top half of the SEC with potential to be top 3-5. Once again, you suck at this calling someone out and "gotcha" mentality you seem to live your life by.

You preaching doom and gloom if JG plays is a joke and would get you punched in the face if you or your boy were to say it one day in the locker room after practice.

Pruitt has a 5* QB in house, and good odds at landing both Simpson and Manning, 2 young HS QB who will be highly rated as well as Salter and whoever else they might add. You believing Pruitt is struggling at the QB position is a joke and you only do it because your boy is on the outside looking in. Pruitt is currently in one of the most stable positions in the SEC. As long as Fulmer is AD unless something disastrous was to happen Pruitt will be here, I predict they'll both be here longer than you will.

Below is the last part of the article as you seem to have not read it.

"It’s worth noting that Guarantano has averaged over eight yards a completion and completed over 60 percent of his passes with 28 touchdowns to only 11 interceptions ever since Jeremy Pruitt took over, and this is also his first season since arriving on campus in 2016 playing for the same offensive coordinator. As a result, he has lots more potential this year under Jim Chaney.

Last year, Guarantano completed 59.1 percent of his passes for 2,158 yards, averaging nearly eight and a half yards a completion, with 16 touchdowns and just eight interceptions. He also was benched due to poor performances after UT’s 1-3 start but was responsible for the go-ahead score in every game UT won down the stretch, finishing all but one of them.

With more stability and that proven clutch gene, you have to assume Guarantano’s numbers will improve this year. However, Tennessee football replacing Jauan Jennings, Marquez Callaway and Dominick Wood-Anderson could make that difficult on him.

Guarantano was sixth among SEC quarterbacks, behind Jamie Newman of the Georgia Bulldogs, Kellen Mond of the Texas A&M Aggies, K.J. Costello of the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Mac Jones of the Alabama Crimson Tide and John Rhys Plumlee of the Ole Miss Rebels. With a couple of improvements, though, he could move up a lot higher."

Edit: I mistakenly thought I was replying to someone else but I consider you two to be the same type of folks so no big deal to me.
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Why did you ignore this


Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano — in terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that traveled 10 or more yards since 2018. He has, however, taken very good care of the football. Since 2018, his turnover-worthy play rate ranks 11th of 90 FBS quarterbacks.​
One hindrance of Guarantano’s play, according to PFF, is that his accuracy is not likely to improve much this late in his career


Since you have been adamant about JGs accuracy
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Pulaski joined 8/24/18. Was on last at 9:15
OP joined 8/25/18. Thread started at 10:35 am

COINCIDENCE???
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You people are weird to me that sit around and do nothing but conspire against others and even weirder that you are out searching for burner accounts.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You people are weird to me that sit around and do nothing but conspire against others and even weirder that you are out searching for burner accounts.
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30 seconds to find your alt account..considering you say people hate JG more then any other poster on the board
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Why did you ignore this


Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano — in terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that traveled 10 or more yards since 2018. He has, however, taken very good care of the football. Since 2018, his turnover-worthy play rate ranks 11th of 90 FBS quarterbacks.​
One hindrance of Guarantano’s play, according to PFF, is that his accuracy is not likely to improve much this late in his career


Since you have been adamant about JGs accuracy
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He's not going to reply because he has spent the last year crowing on about JG's 59% completion rate and 7.9 YPA; we are seeing cognitive dissonance in real time.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
30 seconds to find your alt account..considering you say people hate JG more then any other poster on the board
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Lol, whatever you say mr conspiracy. I'm literally sitting here horse laughing thinking there is a person out there dedicating time in their life to make a critical "gotcha" moment on a message board and the whole time it was pointless as it's so wildly untrue. Keep doing you though, there's a good conspiracy movie out there with Mel Gibson if you haven't seen it or "canceled" Mel Gibson. Your gotcha moment is fake news big boy.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Lol, whatever you say mr conspiracy. I'm literally sitting here horse laughing thinking there is a person out there dedicating time in their life to make a critical "gotcha" moment on a message board and the whole time it was pointless as it's so wildly untrue. Keep doing you though, there's a good conspiracy movie out there with Mel Gibson if you haven't seen it or "canceled" Mel Gibson. Your gotcha moment is fake news big boy.
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1.. great movie
2. no gotcha moment just observstions
3. You conti me to ignore others and my responses to your long-winded post about JG....he is kot accurate everyone but you can see it
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Why did you ignore this


Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano — in terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that traveled 10 or more yards since 2018. He has, however, taken very good care of the football. Since 2018, his turnover-worthy play rate ranks 11th of 90 FBS quarterbacks.​
One hindrance of Guarantano’s play, according to PFF, is that his accuracy is not likely to improve much this late in his career


Since you have been adamant about JGs accuracy
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I have you on my ignore list so I just occasionally see the nonsense you post.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano — in terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that traveled 10 or more yards since 2018.

Not just last in the SEC, last amongst all FBS QBs.
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Yes, it's one of the few stats he ranks low in, completition pct on passes thrown over 10 yards. Lots of QBs struggle in this area. It's also a stat that can improve significantly when speed is added to the offense. No big deal to me really as they also have a stat where he was one of the best in the league on .pct of success on long throws. If that's all you got from that article then you didn't read the rest of it.
 
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No apologist for JG, but what exactly are the metrics?

1. How any FBS quarterbacks are there since 2018 that have attempted 160 passes? I don't know, but it's not all of the quarterbacks in the FBS.

2. He improved to 59% and 7.9 YPA. If that were his average, we'd be happy with those numbers. So....he sucked more in 2018. But......he is trending towards better numbers?

These pre-season articles can always be skewed to what the reader wants to read into. "The Vols haven't won in Gainesville since 1977" was one of those before they won again in Gainesville. No one mentioned that the Vols didn't play in Gainesville but once in the 80's and then every other year after 1993. So, it was more like a 5 game losing streak in Gainesville over 23 years. One sounds better than the other depending upon who the reader is pulling for.

Go Vols! Let the season begin.......Please!
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Yes, it's one of the few stats he ranks low in, completition pct on passes thrown over 10 yards. Lots of QBs struggle in this area. It's also a stat that can improve significantly when speed is added to the offense. No big deal to me really as they also have a stat where he was one of the best in the league on .pct of success on long throws. If that's all you got from that article then you didn't read the rest of it.
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It pretty much negates the entire premise of your argument that his 59% accuracy and his 7.9 YPA makes up for the fact that he doesn't actually throw touchdowns, when he has literally the lowest accuracy of any QB in all of FBS on passes thrown for more than 10 yards.

He's been sitting back dumping the ball off to his check down man, and getting his stats padded by yards-after-catch. We can count the number of times he has thrown a receiver open on one hand and still have fingers left over.
 
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ksgovols said:
No apologist for JG, but what exactly are the metrics?

1. How any FBS quarterbacks are there since 2018 that have attempted 160 passes? I don't know, but it's not all of the quarterbacks in the FBS.

2. He improved to 59% and 7.9 YPA. If that were his average, we'd be happy with those numbers. So....he sucked more in 2018. But......he is trending towards better numbers?

These pre-season articles can always be skewed to what the reader wants to read into. "The Vols haven't won in Gainesville since 1977" was one of those before they won again in Gainesville. No one mentioned that the Vols didn't play in Gainesville but once in the 80's and then every other year after 1993. So, it was more like a 5 game losing streak in Gainesville over 23 years. One sounds better than the other depending upon who the reader is pulling for.

Go Vols! Let the season begin.......Please!
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1. The atricle says out of 130 QBs.
2. His completion % declined...while not much.
3. He played horribly vs Top 25 teams
4. 1-2 vs vandy bad stats...

Everyone will get in his corner in a second if he plays like a 4* dual threat QB we were sold on...

I mean if you are expecting a Lambo and get a ford. Your gonna be pissed
 
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whodeycin85 said:
1. The atricle says out of 130 QBs.
2. His completion % declined...while not much.
3. He played horribly vs Top 25 teams
4. 1-2 vs vandy bad stats...

Everyone will get in his corner in a second if he plays like a 4* dual threat QB we were sold on...

I mean if you are expecting a Lambo and get a ford. Your gonna be pissed
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If you could not tell he wasn't a duel threat QB the 1st time he played then that's a reflection of you every bit as much as it was with who evaluated him that way. And why does that matter at all, so what if he was ranked as a DT guy and turned out he really wasn't, whose fault is it, is it JGs or some couch potatoe fan that's mad he didn't turn out to be what some person predicted him to be.
 
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XknoxvolsX said:
It dumbfounds me to read all of this hate over a kid. First, this is a kid. He may legally and technically be a man but still, he is just a kid. Not only that, but he is doing something productive such as going to college to get an education and, though I don't know anything about his or his parents financial abilities, football is providing an avenue for him to do so. Just how many of you negative posters actually have an investment into the University such as a degree, donor, booster or played football for the University? Or, are you just a fan? Second, I remember reading on this forum several years ago how many of you thought he was going to be the next biggest thing since Peyton. Third, and to me most importantly, how many of you haters have or could be an SEC starting QB? Even with as bad of a team as we currently have, how many of you posters that continuously dog him out could even make the team as a walk on much less supplant him as the starting QB?

Granted, there may be more or other options at QB but most of the posters on here are personally attacking a kid. Now, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but what is wrong with ya'll?
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Appreciate your comments.

No hate from me but I dont think he has what it takes to be a starter for a team that competes for SEC championship. I could be wrong. I hope he proves me wrong. I say go out there and get 'em, JG.

Also, since you asked. I try not to toot my own horn, but... I could have been a SEC starting QB easy. If Coach woulda put me in back in '82. Coulda gone pro. It'd be all over. I'd living in a big mansion, sittin in a hot-tub with my soul-mate. I have no doubt. I could throw a pigskin a quarter-mile back then.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
If you could not tell he wasn't a duel threat QB the 1st time he played then that's a reflection of you every bit as much as it was with who evaluated him that way. And why does that matter at all, so what if he was ranked as a DT guy and turned out he really wasn't, whose fault is it, is it JGs or some couch potatoe fan that's mad he didn't turn out to be what some person predicted him to be.
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Lol, no. He was evaluated as a dual-threat QB because at the slower speed and lower pressure of high school football, he was a DT QB.



You can't change history because reality doesn't fit your narrative.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
If you could not tell he wasn't a duel threat QB the 1st time he played then that's a reflection of you every bit as much as it was with who evaluated him that way. And why does that matter at all, so what if he was ranked as a DT guy and turned out he really wasn't, whose fault is it, is it JGs or some couch potatoe fan that's mad he didn't turn out to be what some person predicted him to be.
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For being on ignore you sure like to come at me....bottom line is he has the same issues with accuracy and consistency since high school...Elite 11 aticle mentions it....that 5 plus years he has not improved those parts of his game enough....kost amusing that a guy in recruiting blaming fans for recruiters being wrong!!..for now. Im done with ya...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
1. The atricle says out of 130 QBs.
2. His completion % declined...while not much.
3. He played horribly vs Top 25 teams
4. 1-2 vs vandy bad stats...

Everyone will get in his corner in a second if he plays like a 4* dual threat QB we were sold on...

I mean if you are expecting a Lambo and get a ford. Your gonna be pissed
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So, the answer is there are 130 FBS quarterbacks currently playing that have attempted 160 passes of 10 yards are more? Just based on the SEC's qb attrition in one year, I doubt such is the case. Last out of 130 quarterbacks that have played since 2018? Ok. That's a much longer list. Several of those have moved on. Where does he rank in this list of qb's that have eligibility left in 2020 that have thrown 160 passes of 10 yards or more?
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I qualified my post by saying I'm not an apologist for J.G. His numbers speak for themselves. My logic tells me there aren't 129 other qb's on current FBS rosters that have 160 passes of 10 yards or more.
 
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ksgovols said:
So, the answer is there are 130 FBS quarterbacks currently playing that have attempted 160 passes of 10 yards are more? Just based on the SEC's qb attrition in one year, I doubt such is the case. Last out of 130 quarterbacks that have played since 2018? Ok. That's a much longer list. Several of those have moved on. Where does he rank in this list of qb's that have eligibility left in 2020 that have thrown 160 passes of 10 yards or more?
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I qualified my post by saying I'm not an apologist for J.G. His numbers speak for themselves. My logic tells me there aren't 129 other qb's on current FBS rosters that have 160 passes of 10 yards or more.
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Whether list is from 2018 or 2019 or both. If he is last on the list for both years then he would be last for 2019 as well correct??? I may be looking at it wrong...kinda like a race. If your last against 30 cars and you remove 15. Your still last
 
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ksgovols said:
So, the answer is there are 130 FBS quarterbacks currently playing that have attempted 160 passes of 10 yards are more? Just based on the SEC's qb attrition in one year, I doubt such is the case. Last out of 130 quarterbacks that have played since 2018? Ok. That's a much longer list. Several of those have moved on. Where does he rank in this list of qb's that have eligibility left in 2020 that have thrown 160 passes of 10 yards or more?
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I qualified my post by saying I'm not an apologist for J.G. His numbers speak for themselves. My logic tells me there aren't 129 other qb's on current FBS rosters that have 160 passes of 10 yards or more.
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Pretty sure there's only 1 true freshman QB on that list, Ken Seals, and there are several backup QBs on rosters, like Ryan Hilinski, who have 160+ attempts, but that quote mentions "since 2018", so that would be all QBs on current rosters with more than 160 attempts, and any QB who left college at the end of 2018 and 2019.
 
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