The Jarrett Guarantano hate

[whodeycin85]

All I know is that we haven’t finished 6-0 since 2015 and we did it against 3 pretty good defenses. After all the crap I’ve endured, I’ll take it.

Not saying I won't take a streak...but context matter...Missouri and KY were the only ones outside the top 75

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

His past performances are pretty bad, dude. He constantly misses open receivers, underthrows on most attempts, stares down his primary option and forces it into double coverage on a regular basis. I get that you like the kid a lot, but to date, he's not a very good QB. Would love to see him become one!

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

 

[sjt18]

Lol, I guess his decision to play BM saved his job in your opinion.

Making "a" change was necessary. I know you are delusional when it comes to JG... but if he had stayed the starter at that point UT's season would not have been recovered. And as much as you despise Maurer for whatever reason that may be... he played a better half vs UGA than I've seen from JG in his entire career... in spite of not knowing the system and not being really ready to play.

Again, Pruitt played a pair of 5's about as well as anyone could have.... but you can't let go of the notion that somehow JG represented an ace. If JG were as good as you think he is... and "where he should be" then it would not have been necessary to replace him. If JG had been as good on game day as he apparently was in practice then Maurer would have never played.

But you keep evading THE MOST RELEVANT POINT... JG's poor play and inconsistency is at the core of this "argument". You are just desperately trying to find a way to deny that simple reality.

 

[BeardedVol]

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

That's because the only "stat" that you care about is passing efficiency. You've adamantly refused to look at the entire body of work that is JG since you made your account two years ago.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Nobody is cherry picking, you made the point that the schedule is the only reason we won over the weak teams and I said it was BS as Fromm and one of the best teams in the country lost their winning streak to a team JG torched. You claimed the streak was bogus and I showed that it was much more difficult than you say. Nobody compared the 2 and it's a simple thought to get that from that take.

Georgia always finds a way to lose games they shouldnt lose. Look at any year and you can find unexplainable losses. USC was a terrible team that had no business beating UGA. That in no way makes UT better than UGA or Jake Fromm. In comparison, Tennessee didn't beat a single team on its schedule that it shouldn't beat. They only beat bottom feeders and cupcakes (not even all the cupcakes). Of all the SEC teams Tennessee beat, none of them had better than a 3-5 SEC record.

What I WAS saying is that if UF, or Bama or Georgia or any other good team or even Georgia State or BYU games had been in November we wouldn't have a 6-0 streak. We beat the very weakest teams all at the end of the year (and we did it with multiple quarterbacks as JG kept getting benched). That is the ONLY reason we have a 6 game winning streak. There are many other quarterbacks that could have led UT to that particular 6-0 streak.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

The only stats that matter are the one's that help your team win big games.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

The only stats that matter are the one's that help your team win big games.

Not saying I won't take a streak...but context matter...Missouri and KY were the only ones outside the top 75

There is a reason why the national media doesn't give a rats behind about our "winning streak"

 

[whodeycin85]

The only stats that matter are the one's that help your team win big games.

There is a reason why the national media doesn't give a rats behind about our "winning streak"

Amen. Same reason 2015 we won 6 straight and no one nationally cared. And we beat who we were supposed to. Wasn't till 2016 when we hit 9 straight going into FLA and UGA. And won at 11

 

[amstelman]

What about the time he pouted and threw a tantrum on the sideline freshman year.

Oh! THAT'S when he was a kid.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

I just watched the bowl game again the other night. It's impossible to put into words how bad Jarrett was in that game. He is not the reason we came back and won. We won that game because of guys like Erik Gray, and the fortuitous missed Pat by Indiana's kicker. At one point in time he had three straight interceptions. He went over a quarter without completing a forward pass to our own team. Jarrett was a fourth year end of season player with 3 years of starts and he got schooled by Peyton Ramsey in that game.

You simply can't watch games like that and say that he's not a bad quarterback. He is, often, a bad quarterback. He also has occasional stretches that make you think there's hope for him, but his bad streaks are inexcusable.

 

[GetEmVols]

All I know is that we haven’t finished 6-0 since 2015 and we did it against 3 pretty good defenses. After all the crap I’ve endured, I’ll take it.

While we are talking about streaks, when is the last time we lost to a sunbelt team?

 

[Joe Dirt]

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

Ok, James Guarantano. You can cherry pick a few stats that aren't awful, but that doesn't mean he's good. He isn't. But your mind is clearly made up. Not sure why you're so staunchly defending a very mediocre QB, but you do you my man.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

What about the time he pouted and threw a tantrum on the sideline freshman year.

I’m not sure that was a true story but more likely manufactured drama from the network broadcasting the game.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Bad QBs don't put up the stats he has put up. Nobody has ever said he was a top QB, those are hard to get for everyone, but he's solid enough to win football games, he showed that last season and I think it continues and we win enough to compete for at least 2nd in the east, we'll compete for 1st if we can beat either GA or Florida this year. If we upset GA early and somehow split with Auburn and Texas A&M I can see the FL game being for the SEC East championship. Lots of ifs but I think the schedule is lined up pretty good for us. 1 or 2 upsets wins, avoid getting upset and all of a sudden we're playing for the SEC east championship with JG.

Sorry not with JG unless our defense becomes the reincarnation of the 85 Chicago Bears.

 

[Kngsport VFL]

Poor coaches get fired. WHy not poor quarterbacks. No hate, just a desire for Vols to win!

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I just watched the bowl game again the other night. It's impossible to put into words how bad Jarrett was in that game. He is not the reason we came back and won. We won that game because of guys like Erik Gray, and the fortuitous missed Pat by Indiana's kicker. At one point in time he had three straight interceptions. He went over a quarter without completing a forward pass to our own team. Jarrett was a fourth year end of season player with 3 years of starts and he got schooled by Peyton Ramsey in that game.

You simply can't watch games like that and say that he's not a bad quarterback. He is, often, a bad quarterback. He also has occasional stretches that make you think there's hope for him, but his bad streaks are inexcusable.

Why are his bad streaks inexcusable and when he plays well it's always because of something else. He was 53 for 81 for 975 yards with 8 TDs and 1 int vs 4 SEC teams during the 6 game winning streak, 2 of those 4 SEC wins were on the road. Once again bad QBs do not put up those kind of numbers vs SEC competition, regardless of who it is. He's not great but he's not as terrible as folks like you make him out to be.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Sorry not with JG unless our defense becomes the reincarnation of the 85 Chicago Bears.

Lots of so called experts have our defense ranked ahead of Alabama this year. Where we end up is irrelevant if we are in the same class as GA, Alabama, Florida and LSU within the conference at the end of the season. I think we also may end up with the best passing defense in the SEC as not many teams have the corners we put on the field, not this year anyway. A high ranked defense will help win a bunch of games regardless of who is playing QB.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I’m not sure that was a true story but more likely manufactured drama from the network broadcasting the game.

Regardless of who manufactured the drama, a large portion of our fanbase has dogged him ever since. He's improved his attitude, they haven't, when they continue to mention that day I feel it says more about their weak character than his I believe.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Lots of so called experts have our defense ranked ahead of Alabama this year. Where we end up is irrelevant if we are in the same class as GA, Alabama, Florida and LSU within the conference at the end of the season. I think we also may end up with the best passing defense in the SEC as not many teams have the corners we put on the field, not this year anyway. A high ranked defense will help win a bunch of games regardless of who is playing QB.

Yeah but not an Sec championship with JG. That would take a defense on the level of the 85 Bears which of course is not going to happen.

 

[feathersax]

Regardless of who manufactured the drama, a large portion of our fanbase has dogged him ever since. He's improved his attitude, they haven't, when they continue to mention that day I feel it says more about their weak character than his I believe.

Spot on. The JG haters are indeed a sad lot. He's got more moxie than they can comprehend.

 

[BeardedVol]

Spot on. The JG haters are indeed a sad lot. He's got more moxie than they can comprehend.

LOL...the only "haters" here are those of you that would continue to sacrifice the efforts that the rest of the team puts forth towards winning, just so you can see your favorite QB create more 'efficient passing' highlights.

 

[kbear01]

I am 53 years old, and though I played football from the age of 6 through high school, I am in no condition to start at QB, or even make the squad, lol. And my knowledge of the game come from a simpler time, though the basics remain the same. Block, tackle, catch, throw, run, and kick. And yes, we wore helmets, with facemasks, in my day, damnit!
JG is a good kid. I like JG. JG's troubles, up to now, have been translating great performance at practice, into great performance, on Saturday. Its all mental.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I am 53 years old, and though I played football from the age of 6 through high school, I am in no condition to start at QB, or even make the squad, lol. And my knowledge of the game come from a simpler time, though the basics remain the same. Block, tackle, catch, throw, run, and kick. And yes, we wore helmets, with facemasks, in my day, damnit!
JG is a good kid. I like JG. JG's troubles, up to now, have been translating great performance at practice, into great performance, on Saturday. Its all mental.

Responding under pressure is a born trait and not necessarily a learned trait IMO. JG just doesn’t have that ability much in the same way I am not a good singer. It doesn’t matter how much I practice singing, I will never be a good singer. I just do not have that talent. JG does not have the talent to respond as a Qb to pressure. Not a knock, he just doesn’t have it.

 

[joevol33]

Good call! Lol! What a joke.

Edit: Sorry joevol, that was bad form as I've never considered you a NegaVol, I should not have remarked on you there.

It was hard to not be negative after our start last year

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

LOL...the only "haters" here are those of you that would continue to sacrifice the efforts that the rest of the team puts forth towards winning, just so you can see your favorite QB create more 'efficient passing' highlights.

I guess our coaching staff should consult keyboard warriors on VN as opposed to using their own knowledge. Because clearly VN knows much more than our staff.