The Impeachment Thread

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Orange defense said:
No mentioned of the senate here??
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If you're going to participate in the discussion, a basic understanding of the subject matter is expected. Fifth grade civics would have prepared you for this thread.

The House impeaches, the Senate is not involved in the aspect of what is analogous to an indictment.
 
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Septic said:
If you're going to participate in the discussion, a basic understanding of the subject matter is expected. Fifth grade civics would have prepared you for this thread.

The House impeaches, the Senate is not involved in the aspect of what is analogous to an indictment.
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You are correct. Now the house is done and the adults are in charge. This will be over by the Superbowl.
 
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vols40 said:
You are correct. Now the house is done and the adults are in charge. This will be over by the Superbowl.
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Really quick (no witnesses) or long process (witnesses). It's abundantly clear that if the witness option is exercised that the door is open wide and at least 2 Bidens, Schiff and the whistleblower will be on the list. Based on what they say that might trigger a deeper dive into who the whistleblower was coordinating with. IOW it's going to be an interesting game of chicken for the Dems. If you want to witnesses that are providing new information (not simply recalling witnesses as was done in the Clinton impeachment) then be prepared for the door you open.
 
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AM64 said:
If he's been impeached, then pretty much by definition during the "sentencing" there should be no further additions to charges or "facts". It's over.
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By basic concepts of rule of law that is correct.

There is funny business going on here, on both sides no doubt but make no mistake, this is horrible for American politics, the Democrats have insured there will be no decorum between the parties for decades to come.
 
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AM64 said:
If he's been impeached, then pretty much by definition during the "sentencing" there should be no further additions to charges or "facts". It's over.
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I can't tell if you're telling or asking.

Are you suggesting that relevant facts or evidence can't be uncovered or used if uncovered prior to a trial?
 
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vols40 said:
If any Republican votes to remove their political careers are over.
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Maybe. For now.

But even if so these guys are multi millionaires. They'd be fine. And if they voted to remove they could hold their head high and, correctly, boast that they voted their conscience. In short order, they'd earn a lot of respect, and not just from Democrats.

To turn on Trump when he fully deserves it and you can defend the vote is a sweet place to be if you care about history and legacy at all.
 
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Septic said:
I can't tell if you're telling or asking.

Are you suggesting that relevant facts or evidence can't be uncovered or used if uncovered prior to a trail?
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anything is possible but I always cringe when I see the "trial" analogy. this is not like a criminal or civil trial. it's an independent beast where the "jurors" who aren't really jurors can make up whatever rules they want and likewise the "indicters" can indict as frequently as they like (no double jeopardy issues).

so yes evidence can be introduced or denied at any time in the process; a process that is only defined by giving the people running the process the ability to define the process.

now I have a headache
 
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vols40 said:
You are correct. Now the house is done and the adults are in charge. This will be over by the Superbowl.
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Of course it will. Sadly, if this is the case Trump will forever be known for covering up his alleged crimes while colluding with the Senate majority.

My hope is that Trump will have his day in court like Rep. Doug Collins constantly whines about. Certainly Trump will request, nay, demand those with first hand knowledge of the events testify to the truth and exonerate him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Maybe. For now.

But even if so these guys are multi millionaires. They'd be fine. And if they voted to remove they could hold their head high and, correctly, boast that they voted their conscience. In short order, they'd earn a lot of respect, and not just from Democrats.

To turn on Trump when he fully deserves it and you can defend the vote is a sweet place to be if you care about history and legacy at all.
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even you can't believe your hubris - I think Luther believes his but c'mon man this has to be trolling
 
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Septic said:
I can't tell if you're telling or asking.

Are you suggesting that relevant facts or evidence can't be uncovered or used if uncovered prior to a trail?
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If someone is impeached, he's impeached. If not, it just illustrates again that politicians can't be trusted with words. An event happens, or it doesn't. If you want to say that the house proceedings were like a grand jury, and the senate is a trial, then he has yet to be impeached.
 
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volinbham said:
anything is possible but I always cringe when I see the "trial" analogy. this is not like a criminal or civil trial. it's an independent beast where the "jurors" who aren't really jurors can make up whatever rules they want and likewise the "indicters" can indict as frequently as they like (no double jeopardy issues).

so yes evidence can be introduced or denied at any time in the process; a process that is only defined by giving the people running the process the ability to define the process.

now I have a headache
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Its all a joke.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Maybe. For now.

But even if so these guys are multi millionaires. They'd be fine. And if they voted to remove they could hold their head high and, correctly, boast that they voted their conscience. In short order, they'd earn a lot of respect, and not just from Democrats.

To turn on Trump when he fully deserves it and you can defend the vote is a sweet place to be if you care about history and legacy at all.
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What’s going to happen to Manchin and maybe Jones when they don’t vote to remove?
 
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AM64 said:
If someone is impeached, he's impeached. If not, it just illustrates again that politicians can't be trusted with words. An event happens, or it doesn't. If you want to say that the house proceedings were like a grand jury, and the senate is a trial, then he has yet to be impeached.
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it doesn't work that way. the "indictment" is called impeachment. Trump has been impeached just as Clinton and Johnson were. I presume he will not be convicted and removed from office.

people confuse the meaning of the term thinking you have to be removed from office to be impeached.
 
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