The Impeachment Thread

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zeppelin128 said:
As far as the recent stock market gains are concerned since impeachment, it is interesting watching both sides claim some form of victory. On our forum, it is seen as a vindication of Trump and his presidency. Head over to that cesspool of Bernie love r/politics, and it is a vindication of impeachment and removal of Trump from office. Interesting to watch two different sides use the same facts to push their agenda.
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Dumb. His impeachment, and his lack of removal, has been understood for a long time. It’s baked in to the market.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I was responding to LG's statement, not the context of the discussion.
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👍 my bad. You read more of his post than I did.

I’ve amended my post to omit the reference to 17 agencies. While I do think statements by the DNI reflect a consensus of the intelligence community, I can’t find the comment I remembered in Maguire’s testimony and I don’t want to go looking for it elsewhere. I’ll plead no contest on that statement.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
There is no quantum leap involved, here. You have bounced around from (paraphrasing), “what Trump did was very cool and very legal” to “DOJ investigation would be preferable” to “if I were White House counsel, I would have advised him not to do the thing I just called preferable because it’s not a good idea.”

And, chortling aside, nothing you’ve said attempted to explain what you would have advised him to do differently. In fact, you’ve been continuously making excuses for what he did. And this post doesn’t offer an alternative, it attempts to paper over what he actually did with a bunch of demonstrably false statements. For example:

Multiple DNIs, NSC staff, and congressional committees have acknowledged that it was the consensus of the intelligence community that Russia, not Ukraine, attempted to interfere in the 2016 election.

The various statements about why the transcript was elevated to that server were made by the NSC lawyers who did it to, IIRC, Tim Morrison and Alex Vindman. If this were very cool, very legal as you initially said, why worry about it being leaked at all?

And the idea that “every president since Washington” has used private individuals to do what Giuliani has done is... unsubstantiated, at best.

So I naturally assumed that you would have advised him to do exactly what he did and your defensiveness about having your advice characterized that way makes it pretty apparent that you recognize that what he actually did is pretty messed up and needs an excuse.
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That is an incorrect and projecting characterization; I've stated Biden being a candidate doesn't shield him from scrutiny and if that scrutiny originates from Trump sounding an alarm, he can certainly do that. I've stated he cannot oversee or manage such an investigation, which he acknowledges with the three references to Barr contacting Ukraine officials. I've stated his conversation with Zelensky is not an impeachable "offense".

I stated as counsel, I'd advise him to lay off Ukraine and Burisma and let Barr and Durham do the heavy lifting; stay focused on the treacherous people within OUR government. And when scalps hang on DOJ's wall, there'll be a clear path to deep dive into Ukraine and Burisma/Biden. That Durham will be talking to Ukraine, anyway.

How you find that ambiguous?

Do you know who the 17 agencies are? Under what purview, as Mueller would say, would DEA, Coast Guard, National Geospatial, the four military branches for example, be in a position to approve the Jan. 2017 ICA? That's correct; none. The claim appears to have originated with Hillary Clinton in Oct. 2016 and simply parroted by the babbling media and elected Democrats. Clapper corrected that twice in congressional testimony. NYT retracted in June 2017, as did AP at some point. It was a idiotic claim from the outset.

Why worry about presidential conversations with world leaders being leaked or radical House factions being able to demand them? You mean aside from often being classified? Aside from the consideration that world leaders expect confidentiality in order to speak plainly to each other?

Gee, i wonder why Obama also logged his conversations with world leaders to those same "secret servers"? A practice Trump has been exercising since Feb. 2017 when, repeating myself, Resistance! asshats leaked conversations with Turnbull/AU and Nieto/MX NSusan Rice: Obama Put Call Transcripts On Top Secret Server, Too C'mon man, I can give you this stuff but I can't make you read or comprehend it.

Now you're fabricating; I didn't say "every president since Washington" - read it again:
"So, you aren't aware presidents have used non-governmental persons they trust to do exactly what Giuliani is doing - and more - since Washington." And here's one of a number of substantiations: Giuliani-Style 'Shadow' Diplomacy: Par for the Course for U.S. Presidents | RealClearInvestigations

Between what you want me to be saying and being caught up in breathless exhortations and mischaracterizations by media, radical Dems, defrocked FBI, DOJ and intel priests, you ought to be steaming at the horseshite you've been fed, instead of asking for a doggie bag.
For 3.5 years.
What does it take?
 
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NCFisher said:
Do you know who the 17 agencies are? Under what purview, as Mueller would say, would DEA, Coast Guard, National Geospatial, the four military branches for example, be in a position to approve the Jan. 2017 ICA? That's correct; none. The claim appears to have originated with Hillary Clinton in Oct. 2016 and simply parroted by the babbling media and elected Democrats. Clapper corrected that twice in congressional testimony. NYT retracted in June 2017, as did AP at some point. It was a idiotic claim from the outset.
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It was yet another claim during the Russian collusion hysteria that was not a fact but desperately held to by most Democrats.

You can go back to that time here and read most of the usual suspects screeching about the “17 agencies” despite evidence to the contrary.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That sounds good, but it's not what I've observed on this forum, nor is it how Trump apparently thinks either. There is an expectation from the right-wing for unconditional support of all things Trump, and anyone who breaks from that, is considered to be disloyal. Trump's recent attacks on Fox News are a prime example of this. He thinks they should have his back and the policy in question is irrelevant. I see that a lot on here too.
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Trump doesn’t really care about that stuff.
 
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hog88 said:
His record says it would be. He is 100% anti-2A thinking he isn't is dumb.
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Everytown for Gun Safety is an American nonprofit organization which advocates for gun control and against gun violence.[7] Everytown was created in 2013 when Mayors Against Illegal Guns and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America joined forces.[8] Everytown for Gun Safety is largely financed by Michael Bloomberg,[9] who also founded the group.[10]

The organization works to "support efforts to educate policy makers, as well the press and the public, about the consequences of gun violence and promote efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals."[1] The group has focused on efforts to require universal background checks on firearms purchases.[11][12] The organization also produces research and studies on gun violence.

-wikipedia

Billionaire Mike Bloomberg offers to 'match every donation' to fight gun violence

Bloomberg announces $50 million 'Everytown' gun-control group to counter NRA (VIDEO)

How Bloomberg's Million-Dollar Desire For Gun Control Is Backfiring
 
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37L1 said:
Everytown for Gun Safety is an American nonprofit organization which advocates for gun control and against gun violence.[7] Everytown was created in 2013 when Mayors Against Illegal Guns and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America joined forces.[8] Everytown for Gun Safety is largely financed by Michael Bloomberg,[9] who also founded the group.[10]

The organization works to "support efforts to educate policy makers, as well the press and the public, about the consequences of gun violence and promote efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals."[1] The group has focused on efforts to require universal background checks on firearms purchases.[11][12] The organization also produces research and studies on gun violence.

-wikipedia

Billionaire Mike Bloomberg offers to 'match every donation' to fight gun violence

Bloomberg announces $50 million 'Everytown' gun-control group to counter NRA (VIDEO)

How Bloomberg's Million-Dollar Desire For Gun Control Is Backfiring
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Bunch of traitors.
 
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@USAFgolferVol

Take a gander at 'ol Mikey's top concerns about foreign policy.

Mike's Record on Foreign Policy

  • Mike is the president of the board of the C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, a network of the world’s megacities dedicated to finding and implementing proven climate solutions.
  • Mike was appointed by United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres as Special Envoy for Climate Action, with the charge of supporting the UNSG’s climate strategy and mobilizing support for a more ambitious approach to fighting climate change.
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BigOrangeD said:
Yes. He's very close to the situation and knows what is really going on. Have some faith liberal. :)
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LIberal? LOL........The Donald lies and makes false claims far more often than he actually tells the truth. I can tell by your posts you're more a supporter of Trump than America. Cool. That's your right

BTW, plenty of Republicans/Conservatives dislike this clown. AT least most of the honorable ones anyway
 
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NCFisher said:
That is an incorrect and projecting characterization; I've stated Biden being a candidate doesn't shield him from scrutiny and if that scrutiny originates from Trump sounding an alarm, he can certainly do that. I've stated he cannot oversee or manage such an investigation, which he acknowledges with the three references to Barr contacting Ukraine officials. I've stated his conversation with Zelensky is not an impeachable "offense".

I stated as counsel, I'd advise him to lay off Ukraine and Burisma and let Barr and Durham do the heavy lifting; stay focused on the treacherous people within OUR government. And when scalps hang on DOJ's wall, there'll be a clear path to deep dive into Ukraine and Burisma/Biden. That Durham will be talking to Ukraine, anyway.

How you find that ambiguous?

Do you know who the 17 agencies are? Under what purview, as Mueller would say, would DEA, Coast Guard, National Geospatial, the four military branches for example, be in a position to approve the Jan. 2017 ICA? That's correct; none. The claim appears to have originated with Hillary Clinton in Oct. 2016 and simply parroted by the babbling media and elected Democrats. Clapper corrected that twice in congressional testimony. NYT retracted in June 2017, as did AP at some point. It was a idiotic claim from the outset.

Why worry about presidential conversations with world leaders being leaked or radical House factions being able to demand them? You mean aside from often being classified? Aside from the consideration that world leaders expect confidentiality in order to speak plainly to each other?

Gee, i wonder why Obama also logged his conversations with world leaders to those same "secret servers"? A practice Trump has been exercising since Feb. 2017 when, repeating myself, Resistance! asshats leaked conversations with Turnbull/AU and Nieto/MX NSusan Rice: Obama Put Call Transcripts On Top Secret Server, Too C'mon man, I can give you this stuff but I can't make you read or comprehend it.

Now you're fabricating; I didn't say "every president since Washington" - read it again:
"So, you aren't aware presidents have used non-governmental persons they trust to do exactly what Giuliani is doing - and more - since Washington." And here's one of a number of substantiations: Giuliani-Style 'Shadow' Diplomacy: Par for the Course for U.S. Presidents | RealClearInvestigations

Between what you want me to be saying and being caught up in breathless exhortations and mischaracterizations by media, radical Dems, defrocked FBI, DOJ and intel priests, you ought to be steaming at the horseshite you've been fed, instead of asking for a doggie bag.
For 3.5 years.
What does it take?
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Good god man. You just nut tapped the hell out of him.
 
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