The Impeachment Thread

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#32,177
Orange_Crush said:
So, I'm to understand that Luther's argument is that foreign policy was designed in the Constitution to be a struggle between Congress and the executive branch, and Trump should have been impeach for struggling with Congress over foreign policy?
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You're half right, which is better than your norm.
Trump should be impeached for QPQ/bribery or whatever name you care to give it. (personal gain being the kicker)
And obstruction.
 
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#32,181
luthervol said:
The evidence provided to the house.
For those who feel that is insufficient, maybe the Senate will be able to get those reluctant witnesses who can remove any remaining doubt.
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Hearsay doesn’t count Luther. Nothing provided to the House proved anything. Except the transcript which Shifty Schiff wasn’t expecting to be released. The IG report revealed quite a bit as well. Looking forward to seeing what Barr will dig up. No Impeachment happening here Bud.
 
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smoke_em06 said:
Hearsay doesn’t count Luther. Nothing provided to the House proved anything. Except the transcript which Shifty Schiff wasn’t expecting to be released. The IG report revealed quite a bit as well. Looking forward to seeing what Barr will dig up. No Impeachment happening here Bud.
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Impeachment has already happened.
The Senate will not convict and we will all continue to circle the drain.
 
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luthervol said:
Impeachment has already happened.
The Senate will not convict and we will all continue to circle the drain.
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Doesn’t happen until ole Nancy sends it to the Senate. That’s according to one of the top notch lawyers the Dems used during the hearings. Genius move there by your leader. She may be even dumber than I thought
 
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NCFisher said:
And I'm literally saying I disagree. There's no straw man.

A potential COI is a *concern*, not an impeachable offense, which requires motivation, a corrupt intent. He literally mentioned it - a very high profile potential COI - along with 2016 interference, then moved on. Biden isn't Trump's rival until he's nominated. And even nomination doesn't stitch the president's lips together so he can't say "hey, this looks rotten and should be looked into".

He can't be involved in an investigation that isn't occurring. If such investigation occurs and THEN he tries to direct, manage or influence it, you have a point.
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Yeah and if he had just said “hey this looks rotten” and referred it to DOJ for an independent investigation, then there wouldn’t be a problem.

But that’s not what happened. Not even close.
 
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AM64 said:
Really? An agency that reports to nobody ... answers to nobody? An entity all alone ... how does it get funding, how is it measured in terms of staffing - the perfect infinite bureaucracy. Does it get it's own taxing authority? This is something out a Dumas novel and the French Revolution, Salem, Cromwell, or the Inquisition. If you mean that political or other outsiders cannot influence or direct investigations, fine; but just like the FBI, CIA, etc somebody that we elect has to be in control. You just may not like it that it's Trump just as many of us disliked that Obama could seemingly turn the IRS on people and entities he didn't like.

If we want better government, we need better politicians. To get better politicians then there has to be some real change in campaign funding, government ethics oversight/initiation, legislative process, term limits and follow on jobs, etc. If we constantly quibble over who can point the finger at corruption, none of that is happening.
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And where low level career diplomats with a grudge can hide behind whistler blower laws when they aren't a whistle blower?
 
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