The Impeachment Thread

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DinkinFlicka said:
No one actually knows each other here. Everyone is a turd gobbler until proven otherwise.

I don't buy it. Mods usually just delete doubled up posts. They were redacted.
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Yeah - except, well, there's an edit button...
But you assure yourself of whatever gets you by.
 
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evillawyer said:
Remember when Obama's former press secretary went public with claims of rampant criminality? Yeah, me neither.

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Might as well ask:
"Gee! - when was the last time three years of investigation were waged against a president accused of conspiring with Russia, including a Special Counsel, with an FBI Director implying and a CIA Director actually stating, the president is a traitor? Along with media and entire Democrat party? And it turned out to be baseless crap which should have terminated before the SC was even appointed and the president inaugurated?"

I'm drawing a blank, too...
 
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NCFisher said:
Did you ever get around to articulating why, specifically?
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He lobbied for the job. His summary of the Mueller report was completely distorted and he omitted important points from Vol 2. He's been pursuing a favorable agenda towards Trump and has neglected his role as Attorney General for the United States. There are other matters for which he should concentrate his time and efforts. Trump has his personal attorneys. Barr shouldn't behave as if he is one of them. I do believe though, he is too smart to get totally dragged down by this disaster of a President. Within the next 12-18 months, Barr will either step down or distance himself from the clown in the oval office
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
He lobbied for the job. His summary of the Mueller report was completely distorted and he omitted important points from Vol 2. He's been pursuing a favorable agenda towards Trump and has neglected his role as Attorney General for the United States. There are other matters for which he should concentrate his time and efforts. Trump has his personal attorneys. Barr shouldn't behave as if he is one of them. I do believe though, he is too smart to get totally dragged down by this disaster of a President. Within the next 12-18 months, Barr will either step down or distance himself from the clown in the oval office
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-- I advise everyone who'd like a position to not raise their hand or apply for it.

-- What was distorted is Mueller not doing his job and making a declaration of crime or no crime, and in Vol I; it's what he was hired to do. Not pen a legal thesis to serve as impeachment fodder, and dropping the pill into the well on the way out the door. Disgraceful.

DOJ does not investigate to hand off shite to Congress or anyone else. They make a declaration or keep their mouth shut so as to not impugn without chance for defense, any person. When Mueller punted on Vol II, DOJ had to make the decision because their hired hand didn't.

-- Nonsense; you don't see to know what the role of the AG is.

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to:
  1. Represent the United States in legal matters.
  2. Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.
  3. Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law.
  4. Make recommendations to the President concerning appointments to federal judicial positions and to positions within the Department, including U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.
  5. Represent or supervise the representation of the United States Government in the Supreme Court of the United States and all other courts, foreign and domestic, in which the United States is a party or has an interest as may be deemed appropriate.
  6. Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.
Organization, Mission & Functions Manual: Attorney General, Deputy and Associate

Barr's going no where until investigations and prosecutions of FBI, DOJ, Intel misdeeds are done. It's why he "lobbied" for the job.
 
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VolnJC said:
In reality..it shouldn't matter that a judge was appointed by a D or R..but sadly it does...this is Trump's real legacy imo
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And the shame in all this is that courts are supposed to judge, and to judge fairly judges cannot be beholden to any creed. It seems like the judiciary has completely lost its way. It's expected that the legislative branch and even the executive branch may be political in nature - the judicial branch is intended to be fair and impartial ... apolitical.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The why do you keep talking about. Biden being shielded from investigation?

I’m literally saying that it’s a conflict of interest for Trump to get involved in the investigation of a political rival but that DOJ is free to start an independent investigation, just like they did into Trump in 2017.

And you keep arguing “but if trump wasn’t shielded from investigation then neither is Biden.”

How does that in any way respond to what I’m saying? You’re creating a straw man argument and then debating it instead of the actual argument that I’m putting on the page.
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No it's not. Members of the same party have no real motivation to investigate their own for the most part. Courts like to tell the rest of us we have no standing to challenge a political figure ... at least that's how they protected Obama. So if not a member of the opposition, who will question the conduct of criminal political behavior? Short of McCarthy style politics, we should welcome investigation of political incentives.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Technically... not yet.

But it won't matter either way. You have no one that can beat him in 2020.
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There are plenty of people that could beat him. Unfortunately, none of them will run. Bloomberg is far and away more qualified for the job than the disaster of the Donald, but the Dems will never allow him to be their nominee
 
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AM64 said:
No it's not. Members of the same party have no real motivation to investigate their own for the most part. Courts like to tell the rest of us we have no standing to challenge a political figure ... at least that's how they protected Obama. So if not a member of the opposition, who will question the conduct of criminal political behavior? Short of McCarthy style politics, we should welcome investigation of political incentives.
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That's why there's a supposedly independent DOJ.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
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Once Comey saw the light and set the precedent with "I can't respond because I no longer have a security clearance", it makes it entirely possible for everybody to escape prosecution. It's an absolutely brilliant strategy ... better than even taking the 5th and looking probably guilty as a result. One thing that needs to happen, though, is that once the strategy is used, it's scorched earth ... the person never receives another security clearance as long as he/she lives, and you burn them if they even cross the line on divulging something from that time frame - no books, no movies, no TV talking head, nothing income producing.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
There are plenty of people that could beat him. Unfortunately, none of them will run. Bloomberg is far and away more qualified for the job than the disaster of the Donald, but the Dems will never allow him to be their nominee
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Oh boy. I would love to have a POTUS that’s number 1 goal is to subvert the 2nd amendment and limit the size of soda I can buy.
 
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AM64 said:
Once Comey saw the light and set the precedent with "I can't respond because I no longer have a security clearance", it makes it entirely possible for everybody to escape prosecution. It's an absolutely brilliant strategy ... better than even taking the 5th and looking probably guilty as a result. One thing that needs to happen, though, is that once the strategy is used, it's scorched earth ... the person never receives another security clearance as long as he/she lives, and you burn them if they even cross the line on divulging something from that time frame - no books, no movies, no TV talking head, nothing income producing.
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That is just subject to DOJ IG interviews correct? She will be compelled under Durham or a criminal investigation?
 
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