The Impeachment Thread

[luthervol]

Luther - What were your thoughts on Benghazi or the Hillary's emails? I'm sure you supported her in the 2016 General. It's amazing to see the looney tunes from the left like yourself bang the drum of integrity when it may benefit you. Your party deserves everything that is coming it's way over the next 5 years. Keep whining snowflake. It's only helping ole meany pants Trump

I thought they were both much ado about nothing. Investigated to death with no findings of guilt. Right wing propaganda conspiracies blown way out of proportion.

But I knew how much the right had been conditioned to hate Hillary. I knew that a Hillary presidency would have been met with instant and continued hatred, disruption, and attempts to impeach by the right. Which is precisely why I did not support her in the primaries and would not support her if she were running now. Why elect someone who you know is so despised when there are other candidates who can represent your views?

However I did vote for Hillary in the general. It was anybody but Trump at that point.

 

[luthervol]

There was no one on that stage that i even agree with 20% of their platform last night, much less the fact that every single one will harm the economy. Best economic rating for America in 20 years today from CNN.

I expected the right to find a better candidate than Trump. They failed.
You guys can continue to support him. That's on you. The lack of effort to replace him with something better was/is astonishing.
But that's your cross to bear.

 

[luthervol]

Last name. Boss is my first.

One "s" or two?

 

[luthervol]

You want me to go back and not vote for him again?

I would expect you to be a little more vocal in your dislike and to have been more of an advocate for getting someone better to represent you in the 2020 election.

 

[luthervol]

Wait are you quoting a socialist that believed socialism was better than capitalism , a peace activist that hated war but wrote a letter to Roosevelt encouraging him to create the Atomic bomb, then decided all nations should have one ? Yeah , I’m not impressed with ole Alberts philosophy’s .

Hard to pinpoint what does impress you. But a Trump supporter loses all validity as a judge of impressiveness.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It was just an editorial opinion piece. Looking for some seismic shift in this is foolish.

They are desperate.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

As it turns out our POTUS has not been impeached according to the Democrats top impeachment witness. All the leftists told me he was before he wasn't.

Noah Feldman, one of the Democrats’ top impeachment witnesses against President Donald Trump, said in an op-ed on Thursday that Democrats have not yet impeached the president despite their vote last night.

Democrats’ Top Impeachment Witness: Democrats Have Not Impeached Trump

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Leftist Harvard Law Professor Noah Feldman who testified on behalf of the Democrats says President Trump isn't actually impeached until Pelosi sends the articles to the other side of Capitol Hill. According to the Constitution, impeachment is a process......not just a vote. If the House doesn't communicate it's impeachment to the Senate, it actually hasn't impeached the president.

Oops! Leftist Law Professor Who Testified for Democrats: Actually, Trump Isn't Impeached Yet

 

[hog88]

One "s" or two?

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[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I expected the right to find a better candidate than Trump. They failed.
You guys can continue to support him. That's on you. The lack of effort to replace him with something better was/is astonishing.
But that's your cross to bear.

Best President ever...........why change course in mid-stream........he beats all your choices hands down.
Best economy in 50 years......jobs jobs jobs......jobs for everybody that wants one. People have money in their pockets to spend on their families & not be so put down w/taxes like what the Dims want to put on Americans.

 

[volfanjustin]

 

[luthervol]

Best President ever...........why change course in mid-stream........he beats all your choices hands down.

You embrace him. I have more respect for that than I do for the millions who say they hate him but complicitly support him.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You embrace him. I have more respect for that than I do for the millions who say they hate him but complicitly support him.

What the hell does that even mean?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

You embrace him. I have more respect for that than I do for the millions who say they hate him but complicitly support him.

What Trump is doing for the American people is a whole lot better than the last do-nothing 8 year pos Dim.
If you mean to embrace him for doing the good work for the American people then yeah. Don't care for your respect. You mean very little to me. You'd like to see America completely destroyed just to have your guy/gal in power.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I expected the right to find a better candidate than Trump. They failed.
You guys can continue to support him. That's on you. The lack of effort to replace him with something better was/is astonishing.
But that's your cross to bear.

No it's actually not, you can't saddle me with the responsibility of the entire nation of individuals thoughts. You have done that since the beginning with your " the collective" argument. I'm not the collective, I'm me.
I am not responsible for other voters, just like you aren't. I'm not responsible to change your mind about trump, i understand your feelings, but I'm not responsible for them.
Does it make me responsible for your stances because I didn't argue with you long enough or change your mind...no. They are your stances which don't intersect with mine. You can continue holding people responsible for stances that don't match yours and automatically contribute the ills of trump on those people if you want to. It's just a fine way of shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[C-south]

Ole Nancy destroyed the GOP talking point with this move didn't she? It went from "it's going to fast" to "hurry up". Old joke not directed at you: How do you keep assholes in suspense?

Make 'em wait.

Going too fast? Lol. The bag of Botox drug the entire thing out for 3 years and then they fabricated something new to wipe the egg from their face to appease the radicals.

 

[0nelilreb]

Hard to pinpoint what does impress you. But a Trump supporter loses all validity as a judge of impressiveness.

A socialist , pacifist that encourages atomic bombs for the whole world will never impress me with his philosophy. I could say that someone with those mixed up ideologies would disqualify you in being able to judge and declare how someone’s qualities are best for our country or not .

 

[luthervol]

No it's actually not, you can't saddle me with the responsibility of the entire nation of individuals thoughts. You have done that since the beginning with your " the collective" argument. I'm not the collective, I'm me.
I am not responsible for other voters, just like you aren't. I'm not responsible to change your mind about trump, i understand your feelings, but I'm not responsible for them.
Does it make me responsible for your stances because I didn't argue with you long enough or change your mind...no. They are your stances which don't intersect with mine. You can continue holding people responsible for stances that don't match yours and automatically contribute the ills of trump on those people if you want to. It's just a fine way of shooting yourself in the foot.

What? I've never asked you to be responsible for other's thoughts.
I'm saddling you with nothing more than your own thoughts, words, and actions (or lack thereof), and how they end up impacting the thoughts of other individuals who combine to form the collective.

 

[RockyTop85]

LOL This is cute.

Congress has the ultimate ability to stop him from doing almost anything, they control the purse strings and can shut off almost ALL money. They also have the ability to go to the courts, it's not Trump's fault our judicial system is slow and inefficient.

And now let's talk about credibility? As a lawyer would you tell a client to "just comply with the subpoena" or would you follow your clients instructions and fight it through the courts? If a judge jailed your client for not complying while his ruling was being appealed would you just tell your client "oh well you got what you deserved" or would you fight that also?

The question is premised on a logical fallacy. Just like everything else you’ve tried arguing, here.

You think I’ve never had a client I knew was guilty? Of course I have. I’ve fought just as hard for guilty clients as I have for the clearly innocent ones.

Does that mean I approve of murder? child pornography? Rape? Do I think those things shouldn’t be punished appropriately? Of course not.

My personal beliefs about the client or what they did or what they deserve don’t get involved at all. Because that’s not in any way relevant.

The client chooses what their priorities are. I just make sure they’re informed of options and possible outcomes from each option, before they make the choice, and then I use the law to pursue positive outcomes and avoid negative outcomes.

So, unless I misunderstood, @Velo Vol asked a hypothetical about what I would do as the chair of a house committee tasked with advancing my committee’s interest in obtaining testimony of reluctant witnesses. I presumed what the law was and exercised some capacity for abstract thought to think of the best way to use it to achieve a desired outcome.

An answer based on my ideal law/government wouldn’t be compatible with the question and wouldn’t have made sense.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

What? I've never asked you to be responsible for other's thoughts.
I'm saddling you with nothing more than your own thoughts, words, and actions (or lack thereof), and how they end up impacting the thoughts of other individuals who combine to form the collective.

Like i said, you want me to go back to 2016 and not vote for him again?

 

[hog88]

The question is premised on a logical fallacy. Just like everything else you’ve tried arguing, here.

You think I’ve never had a client I knew was guilty? Of course I have. I’ve fought just as hard for guilty clients as I have for the clearly innocent ones.

Does that mean I approve of murder? child pornography? Rape? Do I think those things shouldn’t be punished appropriately? Of course not.

My personal beliefs about the client or what they did or what they deserve don’t get involved at all. Because that’s in any way relevant.

The client chooses what their priorities are. I just make sure they’re informed of options and possible outcomes from each option, before they make the choice, and then I use the law to pursue positive outcomes and avoid negative outcomes.

So, unless I misunderstood, @Velo Vol asked a hypothetical about what I would do as the chair of a house committee tasked with advancing my committee’s interest in obtaining testimony of reluctant witnesses. I presumed what the law was and exercised some capacity for abstract thought to think of the best way to use it to achieve a desired outcome.

An answer based on my ideal law/government wouldn’t be compatible with the question and wouldn’t have made sense.

Our conversation and none of my posts had anything to do with a persons guilt or innocence. The only thing I was discussing was your comment about jailing someone while fighting a subpoena. So spare us your sanctimonious ******** about defending a guilty client.

I hate to break it to you but if you were the chairman of a committee, advancing your interests does not trump an individuals rights to fight you in the courts. You clearly stated that would lock a person up for defying your will while it worked it's way through the courts.

 

[Orangeburst]

Like i said, you want me to go back to 2016 and not vote for him again?

Luther is getting his workout again

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Like i said, you want me to go back to 2016 and not vote for him again?

That's what this peachmint is all about.

 

[RockyTop85]

Our conversation and none of my posts had anything to do with a persons guilt or innocence. The only thing I was discussing was your comment about jailing someone while fighting a subpoena. So spare us your sanctimonious ******** about defending a guilty client.

I hate to break it to you but if you were the chairman of a committee, advancing your interests does not trump an individuals rights to fight you in the courts. You clearly stated that would lock a person up for defying your will while it worked it's way through the courts.

Your question relied on the assumption that my personal opinions have some bearing on my work. I simply pointed out how absurd that was, with relevant examples.

If I pretend that this thing you’re “breaking” to me is not already addressed by my original post, will it make you feel better?

 

[NCFisher]

This is another attempt to normalize Trump's behavior by claiming that other Presidents have been just as bad. It simply isn't true. Can you point to a time when Barack Obama was ever as mean-spirited and petty as Donald Trump was at his Michigan rally, with his rant against John Dingell - a man who is now dead? Nobody I have ever seen is equal to Trump when it comes to narcissism.

Well, no.

There is nothing normal about Trump. Since mid-2016 in the campaign, the left and its media hosts have called him traitor, Russian asset and enemy to the U.S., fascist, Hitler, racist, neo-Nazi. Gee, if that were true, he'd be one of the most vile people in history, right? But none of it was true; you punched yourself out with fascist-like vilification. Now, though, we're supposed to forget the Goebbelsian propaganda because the left whines that Trump is ungracious to those continuing this 3.5 year charade by voting to impeach him? Take that feebleness elsewhere.

A normal person probably would've folded, instead of continuing to bloody his attackers. I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton because I thought neither should occupy the office, but I preferred Trump. The left has done what should have been impossible; they've taken the coarse, deeply flawed man and turned him into an underdog and united Republicans behind him. He's forced the left to show the country exactly who they are, just as Johnson has done in UK. He's a Dark Knight, the villain-hero this country needs to put a stake in the heart of the left and cut off their heads.

I will cheerfully vote for him in 2020 because I want the job finished, a long metaphorical row of pikes topped with leftist Dem heads and treacherous people within government and 'journalism' who thought they could overturn an election, and seek to undemocratically and unconstitutionally determine the next.

As to Obama's 'mean-spiritedness' and narcissism; Mr. We Are the Ones We've Been Waiting For, fundamentally transforming America, and who actually waged war on the press like no president since Nixon. Mr. Flexibility on nukes and defense systems for Poland, and Czech R who watched while Russia poured into Ukraine and sent them anything they wanted so long as it wasn't means to defend themselves. Mr. JV who watched ISIS reconstitute from under 1K fighters huddled in N.Syria to a force between 25-40K that wrecked vast swathes of the region. Who CYA'ed Benghazi by trotting out Rice to peddle the fiction of a protest over a video which - golly! - just combusted. Whose defiances of congressional subpoenas and stonewalling information requests were not met with impeachment. How narcissistic must one be to sell AR-15s to organized crime in Mexico and not care who dies, so you can construct a U.S. to Mexico gun-running narrative?

But hey, don't get me started.