The Impeachment Thread

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#29,376
Time for an analogy:

November 2016 was like your child getting arrested for selling drugs.
Then to now is like a continuing battle to get your child help while being forced to realize that he not only sells drugs but also uses and abuses.
The impeachment is like a forced intervention that will ultimately fail.
The 2020 election will be like either your child acknowledging the problem and agreeing to seek help or your child getting arrested for armed robbery in his attempt to pay for his worsening problem.
You continue to love your child, but your perceptions and perspectives have changed. You can no longer maintained the belief that your child is great, one of the best around.
It's my analogy. Don't like it, come up with your own.
 
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luthervol said:
Because in the absence of first hand testimony, second hand testimony is the best you have. Not sure about what type of changing testimony there was, other than Sonland's amendment.

Side bar: They accept a lot of transfers after freshman and sophomore years so he still has plenty of time to get there if he wants.
Dual enrollment in high school can be great but many universities put a higher value on AP classes. Some universities will not even take any dual enrollment credits (or only a very select few).
Many students take the route of doing a year or two at a local college and then transferring. Saves money, gets a couple of more years of maturity under your belt, builds the GPA, and you still get the Tech diploma.
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His cousin is a FR at TennTech, and did AP in HS in GA and got squat out of it. The only thing he got was reduced out of state tuition for being within 250 miles of campus. Got no concessions for being Salutatorian at his school in AP classes. (He screwed up though insisting he only wanted to come here. AS Salutatorian, he could have gone free on scholarship anywhere in GA). $800 a month private HS over in Covington (Peachtree Academy) and is so ill prepared for college. and college life. There's tons of advantages in college within the state you get your diploma. In TN now, if you are a resident, and obtain a TN HS diploma, the first two years at CC are free. He is doing his DE at Vol State, which has a transfer agreement with several in state universities. he will have no trouble transferring into TTU, and will have half his freshman courses complete by the time he graduates HS. Actually thought he did well respectively since he is only a JR. It was his HS courses this term that pissed me off. lol. Smart kid, but lazy on the studying. He is 4 points or more higher than state average in all his year end testing, and scored a 20 composite on his first ACT last spring as a Soph having not seen two years yet of Math and English and stuff on the ACT. And a 2 sport athlete to boot. I wear him out about playing two sports. Do that, and show a 25 on ACT with a 3.0 or better and you can do what you want.

Edit: He is not doing AP classes as yet, but he does have the college path curriculum. Actually, his advisor last year (biology Teacher and currently now MS vice principal), whom we got to church with, told us there's more to HS and life than AP. He put his son in AP Math and almost killed him with all the extra work. said it wasn't worth it, and just make sure to stay n the college path program and focus on doing well there.
 
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hog88 said:
It will be a failure for them just as the Muells investigation was. I don't know why you bring that up?

I don't understand your aversion to doing things smartly and looking at the big picture. The Dems are not going to remove Trump through impeachment and they know this so why not frame the process to be beneficial to them during the elections?
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Exactly my point, even though it apparently went over your head.

They litigated to get the witnesses and evidence from the Mueller investigation and Trump has obstructed that as well. They’ve gone to the courts, as you suggest they do now. It’s sitting there doing nothing. It’s an afterthought. It’s no longer compelling. People don’t care.

The only people saying they should take that course of action again are people like you who treat the Mueller investigation as a punch line. It seems disingenuous and performative.
 
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luthervol said:
Time of an analogy:

November 2016 was like your child getting arrested for selling drugs.
Then to now is like a continuing battle to get your child help while being forced to realize that he not only sells drugs but also uses and abuses.
The impeachment is like a forced intervention that will ultimately fail.
The 2020 election will be like either your child acknowledging the problem and agreeing to seek help or your child getting arrested for armed robbery in his attempt to pay for his worsening problem.
You continue to love your child, but your perceptions and perspectives have changed. You can no longer maintained the belief that your child is great, one of the best around.
It's my analogy. Don't like it, come up with your own.
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If you don't lighten up you'll be doing drugs with him.
 
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Mick said:
How is the GOP going to explain the inconsistencies between the call "transcript" and Trumps "memo"?
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How is the DNC explaining differences in saying Trump is guilty, and witnesses saying well we assume he is. maybe they can give the GOP some advice.
 
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GVF said:
I would start by saying the investigative process should begin and remain above reproach, and not tow obvious party lines. Schiff violated all signs of a legit inquiry.
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They had a non partisan investigation and:
A) he was accused of being partisan and
B) the evidence was withheld from Cingress by Bill Barr, at Trump’s direction.

You guys act like this is all free standing and the Mueller thing never happened.
 
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luthervol said:
Time of an analogy:

November 2016 was like your child getting arrested for selling drugs.
Then to now is like a continuing battle to get your child help while being forced to realize that he not only sells drugs but also uses and abuses.
The impeachment is like a forced intervention that will ultimately fail.
The 2020 election will be like either your child acknowledging the problem and agreeing to seek help or your child getting arrested for armed robbery in his attempt to pay for his worsening problem.
You continue to love your child, but your perceptions and perspectives have changed. You can no longer maintained the belief that your child is great, one of the best around.
It's my analogy. Don't like it, come up with your own.
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Maybe you should’ve been a better parent (i.e. voter). It’s funny how you think you share no responsibility in the events that brought you Trump.

I hope he wins again—just so I can watch his dissenters melt TF down!
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Exactly my point, even though it apparently went over your head.

They litigated to get the witnesses and evidence from the Mueller investigation and Trump has obstructed that as well. They’ve gone to the courts, as you suggest they do now. It’s sitting there doing nothing. It’s an afterthought. It’s no longer compelling. People don’t care.

The only people saying they should take that course of action again are people like you who treat the Mueller investigation as a punch line. It seems disingenuous and performative.
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The Muells investigation is a punch line, a complete waste of time and money that produced nothing of substance. And no Trump didn't obstruct the Muells investigation, that is a fallacy. If any legal wranglings are still tied up in court that is an indictment of the legal system, one that you are apart of and not Trump.

Again, you lack forethought just like the Democrats in congress. If the ultimate goal is to remove Trump from office their only hope is through the election and they are steadily pissing that chance away by trying to be expedient instead of methodical.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
They had a non partisan investigation and:
A) he was accused of being partisan and
B) the evidence was withheld from Cingress by Bill Barr, at Trump’s direction.

You guys act like this is all free standing and the Mueller thing never happened.
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just calling it like it appears. and with how Schiff ran it, it didn't look good.
 
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GVF said:
How is the DNC explaining differences in saying Trump is guilty, and witnesses saying well we assume he is. maybe they can give the GOP some advice.
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Spare us the false outrage. The FBI started investigating Clinton because of a right wing piece of fiction.

2016: FBI investigate Clinton Foundation[edit]
By August 2016, the FBI had begun to confidentially investigate the Clinton Foundation, based largely on Schweizer's book and reporting by The New York Times, but they failed to find much evidence to support corruption allegations.[2] As the investigation lay dormant, Attorney General Jeff Sessions in December 2017 ordered Justice Department prosecutors to ask FBI investigators about the evidence they had gathered. Sessions was responding to demands of Republican members of Congress for a special counsel to be appointed to investigate Uranium One and other matters relating to Hillary Clinton and the FBI.[32] CNN reported on March 29, 2018 that Sessions had appointed John W. Huber, the United States Attorney for the District of Utah, to investigate "a cluster of Republican-driven accusations against the FBI," which includes allegations that the FBI acted inappropriately in two matters involving Hillary Clinton, including her emails and the sale of Uranium One to Rosatom. In a letter to three Republican Congressional committee chairmen, Sessions said he would rely on Huber's findings to decide if a special counsel needed to be appointed. Huber had been investigating the matters for a time, but his involvement had not previously been disclosed.[33]

Several members of Clinton's State Department staff and officials from the Obama-era Department of Justice have said that CFIUS reviews are handled by civil servants and that it would be unlikely that Clinton would have had more than nominal involvement in her department's signing off on the acquisition.[34] According to Snopes, the timing of donations might have been questionable if Hillary Clinton had played a key role in approving the deal, but all evidence suggests that she did not and may in fact have had no role in approving the deal at all.[35]
 
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luthervol said:
Time of an analogy:

November 2016 was like your child getting arrested for selling drugs.
Then to now is like a continuing battle to get your child help while being forced to realize that he not only sells drugs but also uses and abuses.
The impeachment is like a forced intervention that will ultimately fail.
The 2020 election will be like either your child acknowledging the problem and agreeing to seek help or your child getting arrested for armed robbery in his attempt to pay for his worsening problem.
You continue to love your child, but your perceptions and perspectives have changed. You can no longer maintained the belief that your child is great, one of the best around.
It's my analogy. Don't like it, come up with your own.
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It's obvious it's yours.
 
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#29,392
luthervol said:
Time of an analogy:

November 2016 was like your child getting arrested for selling drugs.
Then to now is like a continuing battle to get your child help while being forced to realize that he not only sells drugs but also uses and abuses.
The impeachment is like a forced intervention that will ultimately fail.
The 2020 election will be like either your child acknowledging the problem and agreeing to seek help or your child getting arrested for armed robbery in his attempt to pay for his worsening problem.
You continue to love your child, but your perceptions and perspectives have changed. You can no longer maintained the belief that your child is great, one of the best around.
It's my analogy. Don't like it, come up with your own.
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Given your earlier analogy showing you misunderstand the importance of beyond reasonable doubt, I'll avoid reading this one so it's like you pled the 5th.
 
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Mick said:
Spare us the false outrage. The FBI started investigating Clinton because of a right wing piece of fiction.

2016: FBI investigate Clinton Foundation[edit]
By August 2016, the FBI had begun to confidentially investigate the Clinton Foundation, based largely on Schweizer's book and reporting by The New York Times, but they failed to find much evidence to support corruption allegations.[2] As the investigation lay dormant, Attorney General Jeff Sessions in December 2017 ordered Justice Department prosecutors to ask FBI investigators about the evidence they had gathered. Sessions was responding to demands of Republican members of Congress for a special counsel to be appointed to investigate Uranium One and other matters relating to Hillary Clinton and the FBI.[32] CNN reported on March 29, 2018 that Sessions had appointed John W. Huber, the United States Attorney for the District of Utah, to investigate "a cluster of Republican-driven accusations against the FBI," which includes allegations that the FBI acted inappropriately in two matters involving Hillary Clinton, including her emails and the sale of Uranium One to Rosatom. In a letter to three Republican Congressional committee chairmen, Sessions said he would rely on Huber's findings to decide if a special counsel needed to be appointed. Huber had been investigating the matters for a time, but his involvement had not previously been disclosed.[33]

Several members of Clinton's State Department staff and officials from the Obama-era Department of Justice have said that CFIUS reviews are handled by civil servants and that it would be unlikely that Clinton would have had more than nominal involvement in her department's signing off on the acquisition.[34] According to Snopes, the timing of donations might have been questionable if Hillary Clinton had played a key role in approving the deal, but all evidence suggests that she did not and may in fact have had no role in approving the deal at all.[35]
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Not mad. Or outraged. Just asking legitimate questions based on perception.

I'm curious why your quoted piece didn't mention the amount of documented donations the Clinton Foundation received from Russia during the same time frame.

We all know that with the Clinton's connections and influence, nothing was going to be found criminal in her actions. Sounds oddly familiar to orange man syndrome.
 
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