The Impeachment Thread

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volinbham said:
you are opposing sides of the same coin
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No, he's not. If you believe that Trump leveraged Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine in exchange for a political campaign favor from their President, and there is substantial evidence that is what Trump has done, then there is cause for impeachment. What the poster known as "volfanjustin" was saying, is that the next Democratic Party President should be impeached... well, apparently, just because Trump was impeached. It's not the same thing at all.
 
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volinbham said:
first court order ever disobeyed or "delayed in compliance".

meanwhile the party that wants to eliminate the Electoral College is prattling on about their solemn obedience to the Constitution.

hypocrisy is so common that being outraged by it is the lowest common denominator of politics.
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Fun Fact: The constitution has 27 amendments and expressly states how it can be amended.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, he's not. If you believe that Trump leveraged Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine in exchange for a political campaign favor from their President, and there is substantial evidence that is what Trump has done, then there is cause for impeachment. What the poster known as "volfanjustin" was saying, is that the next Democratic Party President should be impeached... well, apparently, just because Trump was impeached. It's not the same thing at all.
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Since day 1 Luther has been talking about how to remove Trump from office by any means necessary. My comment suggests that Luther and Justin are equally ideologically devoted to their causes and willing to sacrifice principle to see their ends achieved. The comment from Justin was but one example of a long history of posting from both.
 
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davethevol said:
Of course they do, they’re a mouthpiece for the deep state. They’re owned by the same parent company that owns most newspaper publications in the US. It’s a propaganda machine.
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Meh, Sinclair Broadcasting owns the majority of local TV news stations nationwide, and they have shown right-wing bias in their reporting. That counts as propaganda, too.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, he's not. If you believe that Trump leveraged Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine in exchange for a political campaign favor from their President, and there is substantial evidence that is what Trump has done, then there is cause for impeachment. What the poster known as "volfanjustin" was saying, is that the next Democratic Party President should be impeached... well, apparently, just because Trump was impeached. It's not the same thing at all.
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I’m saying if some are willing to piss on the country and want to overthrow the Republic because your little feelings are hurt then f it let’s burn the whole thing down
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Meh, Sinclair Broadcasting owns the majority of local TV news stations nationwide, and they have shown right-wing bias in their reporting. That counts as propaganda, too.
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That bias has been proven and it's never mentioned by the right-wing or by Fox News whenever they complain about the bias from the "mainstream media". You don't get any more mainstream than local television news broadcasts.
 
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volinbham said:
Since day 1 Luther has been talking about how to remove Trump from office by any means necessary. My comment suggests that Luther and Justin are equally ideologically devoted to their causes and willing to sacrifice principle to see their ends achieved. The comment from Justin was but one example of a long history of posting from both.
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Nope.
I have said since day 1 that Trump should be removed by any means legally available.
It's not sacrificing principle, it's standing on principle.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, he's not. If you believe that Trump leveraged Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine in exchange for a political campaign favor from their President, and there is substantial evidence that is what Trump has done, then there is cause for impeachment. What the poster known as "volfanjustin" was saying, is that the next Democratic Party President should be impeached... well, apparently, just because Trump was impeached. It's not the same thing at all.
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I don’t agree with the tit for tat in this case but you do know there were congressmen in your party that was calling for impeachment in May of 2017 . That’s 5 months into his first term .
 
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volfanjustin said:
I’m saying if some are willing to piss on the country and want to overthrow the Republic because your little feelings are hurt then f it let’s burn the whole thing down
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We all know that Trump will not be removed from office. However, I'm glad to see that a stand has been taken by Democrats in the House against what Trump tried to do. I think Trump held up military aid to the Ukraine so he could hold it over Zelensky's head until he announced that he was opening an investigation into the Biden's on CNN. I don't think that Trump would have asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens if Joe wasn't running for President. This was strictly about Trump wanting to damage Joe Biden politically. That type of conduct should not be tolerated. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings or with overthrowing a President or reversing the results from the 2016 election. This has to do with an abuse of power.
 
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luthervol said:
That seems to be the predominate opinion.
I qualified that it was only appropriate for that once in 300 year catastrophic anomaly.
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There you go zep it’s only bad when it’s qualified and decided that it’s bad , otherwise it’s acceptable. Lol
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t agree with the tit for tat in this case but you do know there were congressmen in your party that was calling for impeachment in May of 2017 . That’s 5 months into his first term .
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Sure... and that was wrong and it probably has hurt their cause now that there is a legitimate case to be made for impeachment.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I’m saying if some are willing to piss on the country and want to overthrow the Republic because your little feelings are hurt then f it let’s burn the whole thing down
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LOL.....Do you not realize you just described the Trump election?
I'm hoping to see that craziness corrected.
 
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luthervol said:
That seems to be the predominate opinion.
I qualified that it was only appropriate for that once in 300 year catastrophic anomaly.
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Much better just to vote him out in 2020. That will say much more than any of this impeachment stuff ever will. That will mean the American voters removed his sorry ass from office. I'd put my money on that long before I put anything on the Senate actually taking this seriously and not just as an exercise in partisan chicanery.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We all know that Trump will not be removed from office. However, I'm glad to see that a stand has been taken by Democrats in the House against what Trump tried to do. I think Trump held up military aid to the Ukraine so he could hold it over Zelensky's head until he announced that he was opening an investigation into the Biden's on CNN. I don't think that Trump would have asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens if Joe wasn't running for President. This was strictly about Trump wanting to damage Joe Biden politically. That type of conduct should not be tolerated. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings or with overthrowing a President or reversing the results from the 2016 election. This has to do with an abuse of power.
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Curious if you care at all about the FISA abuses and more politically; how people like Schiff have been shown to have completely misrepresented what he knew to be true about it. His version of events is 180 from what Horowitz revealed.

I don't give Trump a pass; I simply don't think it's impeachable and a censure would have been appropriate but the actions of Schiff and company are also problematic along with Comey, McCabe and others. We know that they all knew (including Mueller) that the Russian collusion thing didn't hold water yet they persisted. Where's the condemnation of "this type of conduct should not be tolerated"?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We all know that Trump will not be removed from office. However, I'm glad to see that a stand has been taken by Democrats in the House against what Trump tried to do. I think Trump held up military aid to the Ukraine so he could hold it over Zelensky's head until he announced that he was opening an investigation into the Biden's on CNN. I don't think that Trump would have asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens if Joe wasn't running for President. This was strictly about Trump wanting to damage Joe Biden politically. That type of conduct should not be tolerated. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings or with overthrowing a President or reversing the results from the 2016 election. This has to do with an abuse of power.
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By the lefts definition of abuse of power every president going forward can and should be impeached, are you prepared for the precedent you all have set? No aid was withheld it was delayed, there is a difference. Those same dems/socialists that said an impeachment should be bi partisan? They are hacks that have sold their souls to the far radical unhinged base like you, Luther, mick i.e. the squad types
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Much better just to vote him out in 2020. That will say much more than any of this impeachment stuff ever will. That will mean the American voters removed his sorry ass from office. I'd put my money on that long before I put anything on the Senate actually taking this seriously and not just as an exercise in partisan chicanery.
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There is not a shot in hell the Senate will support impeachment, never was.
Impeachment is still justified and appropriate......on principle if nothing else.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Much better just to vote him out in 2020. That will say much more than any of this impeachment stuff ever will. That will mean the American voters removed his sorry ass from office. I'd put my money on that long before I put anything on the Senate actually taking this seriously and not just as an exercise in partisan chicanery.
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Can you honestly say that what we've seen to date from Schiff's version of Russia! and the Ukraine deal is not just an exercise in partisan chicanery?

I said way back when Volprof was losing his mind that we'll find out that both parties are playing fast and loose here. Given all that's come out it amazes me that we still have people buying all of Team Blue or Team Red. It's been bad actors across the board.
 
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