The Impeachment Thread

[BigOrangeD]

 

[luthervol]

First politician to ever tell a lie, I bet.

Of course he's not. That is such a cop out.
That's like the parents of a child who throws multiple extended and animated tantrums daily, often for absolutely no apparent reason, saying "what child hasn't thrown a tantrum".
Excuse and normalize his behavior all you wish, but we all know there is no excuse and that he is not normal.

 

[BigOrangeD]

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  President Trump Tells Democrats to Pound Sand, Won’t Participate in Next Round of Impeachment Circus

 

[Mick]

And after the way Romney got treated I don’t blame him. I am clearly not a fan of his. But the demand for this is stupid. The IRS didn’t find shady **** and you won’t either. It’s a talking point that plays well. Trump won’t do it bc he saw how Romney got crapped on. Just like the idiots who think amazon didn’t pay any taxes.

The IRS didn't find anything? When did they look and what were they looking for?

 

[PointGuard]

Sooooo you would be really adamant when you advised him not to testify under oath in a room full of lawyers and politicians ? I would be to .

Always the play on words. No substance. Blah blah. Total waste of time. If you can’t control every nuance of a conversation you can’t have one. Fluid freedom of speech is beyond your comprehension. North Dallas too. It’s the right wing (and Russian bot) way. All the others try too but are more amateurish than you two. You’ve been practicing a long time but you’re still not good at it. But you feel good about your gibberish anyway. Good for you we’re all happy for you

70% of Americans think Trump abused his power!!!!!

55% continue to think he should be impeached and 45% think he should be removed

100% of Russian Bots think he should not be impeached

It seems 100% of right wingers on this forum think there is no basis for impeachment

Most think this is only about Dems being pi$$ed off because Trump won the election

Not true at all for me - Trump won fair and square

But Trump shoots himself in the foot just about daily; and, now lies on average 22 times a day

Making his list of accomplishments suspect. See what the fact checkers say about it

There may not have been a Russian investigation had doomasses Eric and Jr contained themselves and not bragged (like Daddy) about Russian money pouring in to their business

The at long last IG report found Trump campaign not “spied on” by FBI, and,

Found, while FBI agent fudged some paperwork the Carter Page FISA warrant would have been correctly issued anyway

If you’re acting like you’ve got something nefarious going on with an enemy you have to expect, and be thankful, for our Intelligence Agencies fling their jobs

Fast fact. Carter , Papalopolous, Flynn, Manafort, Roger Stone and others found guilty.

Birds of a feather? Trump goes back to 1986 with Manafort and Stone.

Murller report cites insufficient evidence regarding Russian conspiracy and 10 counts of Trump Engaging I’d OOJ

Barr flat out lies and delays issuance for weeks to let the lies be absorbed - - nothing to see here

Impeachment Inquiry should have been opened with issuance of Mueller report. Oversight required it

The President, Congress, Courts, intelligence agencies, all make decisions, of necessity at times, based on informed judgement

Informed judgment says Trump is guilty as hell on all charges ever alleged

 

[luthervol]

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  President Trump Tells Democrats to Pound Sand, Won’t Participate in Next Round of Impeachment Circus

Because he is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and can't open his mouth without lying.

 

[PointGuard]

The IRS didn't find anything? When did they look and what were they looking for?

How much Federal income tax did Amazon pay?

 

[PointGuard]

Wait what ? Precedents being set now ? As in presidents in the past haven’t done that ? Are you sure about that ?

Then out with it Which other ones have?

 

[BigOrangeD]

Because he is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and can't open his mouth without lying.

Wrong again Luther. Keep trying man.

 

[0nelilreb]

Always the play on words. No substance. Blah blah. Total waste of time. If you can’t control every nuance of a conversation you can’t have one. Fluid freedom of speech is beyond your comprehension. North Dallas too. It’s the right wing (and Russian bot) way. All the others try too but are more amateurish than you two. You’ve been practicing a long time but you’re still not good at it. But you feel good about your gibberish anyway. Good for you we’re all happy for you

70% of Americans think Trump abused his power!!!!!

55% continue to think he should be impeached and 45% think he should be removed

100% of Russian Bots think he should be impeached

It seems 100% of right wingers on this forum think there is no basis for impeachment

Most think this is only about Dems being pi$$ed off because Trump won

Not true at all for me - Trump won fair and square

But Trump shoots himself in the foot just about daily; and, now lies on average 22 times a day

Making his list of accomplishments suspect. See what the fact checkers say about it

There may not have been a Russian investigation had doomasses Eric and Jr contained themselves and not bragged (like Daddy) about Russian money pouring in to their business

The at long last IG report found Trump campaign not “spied on” by FBI, and,

Found, while FBI agent fudged some paperwork the Carter Page FISA warrant would have been correctly issued anyway

If you’re acting like you’ve got something nefarious going on with an enemy you have to expect, and be thankful, for our Intelligence Agencies fling their jobs

Fast fact. Carter , Papalopolous, Flynn, Manafort, Roger Stone and others found guilty.

Birds of a feather? Trump goes back to 1986 with Manafort and Stone.

Murller report cites insufficient evidence regarding Russian conspiracy and 10 counts of Trump Engaging I’d OOJ

Barr flat out lies and delays issuance for weeks to let the lies be absorbed - - nothing to see here

Impeachment Inquiry should have been opened with issuance of Mueller report. Oversight required it

The President, Congress, Courts, intelligence agencies, all make decisions, of necessity at times, based on informed judgement

Informed judgment says Trump is guilty as hell on all charges ever alleged

Then impeach him , simple huh ? Nah the left didn’t lean from past mistakes , they think the longer they draw things out the better it is for them . The American voters get tired of prolonged investigations , you’ve spent Trumps entire term telling the American voter he’s guilty and then nothing ever happens . I watched and listened to MSM and all the progressive liberals tell me Trump is going down for three years and now we are at the point of “ I’ll be happy with censure “ . That’s a monumental fail on the lefts part and you can’t spin it fast enough to make censure from the house mean anything . You are losing the voters by dragging this out , your own party will be pissed if you settle for censure. Let’s watch and see what happens next .

 

[PointGuard]

Then impeach him , simple huh ? Nah the left didn’t lean from past mistakes , they think the longer they draw things out the better it is for them . The American voters get tired of prolonged investigations , you’ve spent Trumps entire term telling the American voter he’s guilty and then nothing ever happens . I watched and listened to MSM and all the progressive liberals tell me Trump is going down for three years and now we are at the point of “ I’ll be happy with censure “ . That’s a monumental fail on the lefts part and you can’t spin it fast enough to make censure from the house mean anything . You are losing the voters by dragging this out , your own party will be pissed if you settle for censure. Let’s watch and see what happens next .

Dragging this out get’s Trump re-elected IMI. That’s a separate discussion.

tell me you read the whole post

 

[0nelilreb]

Dragging this out get’s Trump re-elected IMI. That’s a separate discussion.

tell me you read the whole post

It’s all one big dog and pony show , you only have so much time to do what you are going to do before you lose the voters interest . This isn’t about right or wrong ( ask luther) it’s about turning votes .

 

[Orange_Crush]

It’s all one big dog and pony show , you only have so much time to do what you are going to do before you lose the voters interest . This isn’t about right or wrong ( ask luther) it’s about turning votes .

It's about more than lost interest. It's about lost trust. That's what will hurt at the ballot box.

 

[0nelilreb]

Then out with it Which other ones have?

Do some research , it will be good to expand your knowledge base . Start with George Washington and work your way down . He started it , but the term “Executive Privilege” didn’t show up until Eisenhower - “ any man who testifies as to what he told me , won’t be working for me that night “ .

 

[Mick]

It’s all one big dog and pony show , you only have so much time to do what you are going to do before you lose the voters interest . This isn’t about right or wrong ( ask luther) it’s about turning votes .

History isn't on your side with the narrative the dems are dragging this out. What the public sees is the GOP spinning conspiracy after conspiracy to protect Trump, Trumps constant lies, and Trumps criminal ways. It's clear at this point the GOP expects their voters to vote like good mindless fools. They're not rallying support for Trumps re-election as you claim either.

 

[0nelilreb]

It's about more than lost interest. It's about lost trust. That's what will hurt at the ballot box.

Politicians only have so much trust from the voters to start with . Congress is some of the least trusted people in this country . Couple that with the immediate gratification culture we live in today , with attention spans only being as long as a tweet or a Tik Tok video and long investigations are doomed from the start unless you can constantly prove something .

 

[0nelilreb]

History isn't on your side with the narrative the dems are dragging this out. What the public sees is the GOP spinning conspiracy after conspiracy to protect Trump, Trumps constant lies, and Trumps criminal ways. It's clear at this point the GOP expects their voters to vote like good mindless fools. They're not rallying support for Trumps re-election as you claim either.

That’s your perspective . History is on my side , the left has already used up 3 years with a RussianGate that did nothing to Trump . The left doesn’t want well maybe , possibly , we could someday , catch him doing something . They want him out . That puts your leaders in a bind , they can’t get him out . Don’t believe I said they were rallying support for Trumps re-election .

 

[NorthDallas40]

I guess you also consider it smart to have directly lied to the American public by promising to release them, on multiple occasions.

I’ve always thought this was idiocy since the BS Romney went thru. Yeah smart move by him indeed.

 

[Mick]

That’s your perspective . History is on my side , the left has already used up 3 years with a RussianGate that did nothing to Trump . The left doesn’t want well maybe , possibly , we could someday , catch him doing something . They want him out . That puts your leaders in a bind , they can’t get him out .

"Catch"? He is already caught in a non legal sense but you actually mean "prove", which the GOP is so desperate to keep from happening.

 

[0nelilreb]

"Catch"? He is already caught in a non legal sense but you actually mean "prove", which the GOP is so desperate to keep from happening.

All you have to do to satisfy your party is impeach and remove him . Anything less than that is a failure if you have the proof . That’s just not going to happen is it ? So now we are down to what censure ? 3 years going on 4 to come up with a censor from the Dem controlled house ? Really ?

 

[luthervol]

I’ve always thought this was idiocy since the BS Romney went thru. Yeah smart move by him indeed.

I didn't understand your answer.
Are you saying it was smart for him to continually lie to the American people about releasing his tax returns?
Or are you saying it was idiocy for him to continually lie to the American people about releasing his tax returns?

 

[luthervol]

All you have to do to satisfy your party is impeach and remove him . Anything less than that is a failure if you have the proof . That’s just not going to happen is it ? So now we are down to what censure ? 3 years going on 4 to come up with a censor from the Dem controlled house ? Really ?

Again, I think most everyone knows he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The fact that so many Trump worshipers are willing to turn a blind eye is not on the Dems.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I didn't understand your answer.
Are you saying it was smart for him to continually lie to the American people about releasing his tax returns?
Or are you saying it was idiocy for him to continually lie to the American people about releasing his tax returns?

I’m not playing your game today Luther. I don’t care that he didn’t release his tax returns. And I think it was a smart move on his part. Thus I don’t care about your question.

 

[Orange_Crush]

History isn't on your side with the narrative the dems are dragging this out. What the public sees is the GOP spinning conspiracy after conspiracy to protect Trump, Trumps constant lies, and Trumps criminal ways. It's clear at this point the GOP expects their voters to vote like good mindless fools. They're not rallying support for Trumps re-election as you claim either.

I think you really need to get out of your echo chamber. Maybe to the far left, there's this perception. To middle America, it looks like the Dems are the ones who have been peddling conspiracy theories for the duration of Trump's presidency

TrumPutinGate... Zilch. Nada. Schiff promised forever that he'd personally seen damning evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. Then... The Mueller report was a dud.

Now, that same Schiff is leading this house circus. He "quoted" Trump's call, which turned out to be a bald face lie that Schiff then laughed off as a bad joke. The whistleblowers were a big deal...until they weren't. Their importance and need to testify evaporated about as fast as the info that they have ties to... Lying Schiff.

You're defending the Dems here, so you've lost any platform to throw that term "conspiracy theories" around.

 

[Mick]

Again, I think most everyone knows he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The fact that so many Trump worshipers are willing to turn a blind eye is not on the Dems.

He doesn't realize trying to satisfy a parties base is the wrong move. The only correct move is to get at the truth and get it out in the open for those swing voters.