The Impeachment Thread

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lawgator1 said:
No, too complicated.

He lied the first time because like Trump he's an arrogant son of a....

And also like Trump he's a coward. And when he was staring a perjury rap in the face he backstabbed Trump to save himself. As Trump has done to so many others, and as he is about to do to RG.
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Or... you know... we could just go by the summary exchange between him and Ratliff stating there was no QPQ. Do I need to link it again or can you scroll up?
 
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#24,057
PointGuard said:
Well we interpret portions of that differently with emphasis on it was one snippet of hours of his testimony
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Feel free to go find a conflicting statement within his whole Congressional testimony against that summary. And be sure to find the clarifying statement on that. I’ll help you out. Nobody on the left challenged the Ratliff / Sondland exchange within the chamber where it was under oath. They took it to the media via innuendo
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I did. No QPQ at all from Trump. Any reference was his own inference and he explicitly confirmed that and went on to state Trump stated he wanted nothing. Hope you didn’t use too much tissue.
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The timeline doesn't help you in that regard. That call was made with Sondland on September 9th, AFTER he had become aware of the whistleblower complaint. That was an attempt at a cleanup. Also, there is evidence in e-mails and White House docs (per the Washington Post) of an attempt to rationalize the hold on Ukrainian military aid - after the fact. If true, that represents a consciousness of guilt.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The timeline doesn't help you in that regard. That call was made with Sondland on September 9th, AFTER he had become aware of the whistleblower complaint. That was an attempt at a cleanup. Also, there is evidence in e-mails and White House docs (per the Washington Post) of an attempt to rationalize the hold on Ukrainian military aid - after the fact. If true, that represents a consciousness of guilt.
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Then get him back under oath in front of Congress and get it clarified! Oh wait. You don’t have time for that.

That video record is the benchmark. Innuendo doesn’t counter it
 
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#24,061
NorthDallas40 said:
Feel free to go find a conflicting statement within his whole Congressional testimony against that summary. And be sure to find the clarifying statement on that. I’ll help you out. Nobody on the left challenged the Ratliff / Sondland exchange within the chamber where it was under oath. They took it to the media via innuendo
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Check the portion where Sondland confirmed he understood what it was Rat was saying and he understood it was what he thought Rat believed. Listen again closely

Perhaps that’s the portion where Crush ( the non debater ) thinks the threat of outing sex was brought to bear
 
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#24,062
PointGuard said:
Check the portion where Sondland confirmed he understood what it was Rat was saying and he understood it was what he thought Rat believed. Listen again closely

Perhaps that’s the portion where Crush ( the non debater ) thinks the threat of outing sex was brought to bear
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Oh I did! He was confirming his own inference and Ratliff explicitly made him state that! It’s all there!
 
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#24,065
NorthDallas40 said:
Or... you know... we could just go by the summary exchange between him and Ratliff stating there was no QPQ. Do I need to link it again or can you scroll up?
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You can take whatever you want out of context. Won't change the fact that Trump attempted to bribe the president of Ukraine and abused his powers in the process. He was willing to sell them, and us, out to get reelected. Support for him is shameful.
 
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PointGuard said:
So Crush sent you two to obfuscate while he ducks the debate of Trump’s presidency?
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Wait. What?

The only reason I even know that you exist is because you've wasted your time following me around, insulting me and calling me names. Now, you seem to believe that that has necessitated that I interact with you on an intellectual level? You've somehow convinced yourself that insulting me means that you deserve my attention or serious consideration?

You really should get over yourself. As far as I'm concerned, you're little more than a biting flea that's somehow evolved just enough to crave attention.

And for the record, I think Trump's presidency has been a mixed bag of good policy and embarrassing egotism. It could have been much more if he hadn't have had to keep defending himself from invented scandals from the left.

I'm not sure why you'd think I should feel the need to debate those beliefs/opinions with a child such as yourself.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You can take whatever you want out of context. Won't change the fact that Trump attempted to bribe the president of Ukraine and abused his powers in the process. He was willing to sell them, and us, out to get reelected. Support for him is shameful.
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Come and join us on board for another 5 years.
 
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#24,069
lawgator1 said:
You can take whatever you want out of context. Won't change the fact that Trump attempted to bribe the president of Ukraine and abused his powers in the process. He was willing to sell them, and us, out to get reelected. Support for him is shameful.
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I’m the one taking the actual video record out of context?! 🤣🤣🤣
 
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#24,070
NorthDallas40 said:
I’m the one taking the actual video record out of context?! 🤣🤣🤣
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You are reaching to give Trump a benefit of the doubt, which you would never do for a Democrat in such a position. For the record, the word in question was "presumed". That doesn't make Sondland wrong. Everything points to Sondland following directives set forth by Giuliani and Trump. The fact remains, that Trump did not release the aid, nor did he set forth a differing course of instruction until after he had been made aware of the whistleblower's complaint.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are reaching to give Trump a benefit of the doubt, which you would never do for a Democrat in such a position. For the record, the word in question was "presumed". That doesn't make Sondland wrong. Everything points to Sondland following directives set forth by Giuliani and Trump. The fact remains, that Trump did not release the aid, nor did he set forth a differing course of instruction until after he had been made aware of the whistleblower's complaint.
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OMFG you are still parsing words and trying to sell Sondland’s inference! Ratliff did amplifying/clarifying questions for a reason and the answer is clear! And you’re wrong when this whole **** show started I stated then and there if Obama has done this it doesn’t rise up to impeachment level! It doesn’t rise to that level for ANYBODY FFS!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Clearly that’s the case. I’m just gonna keep pointing to the actual video record and recorded dialog. I don’t need any inference to back up my reasoning that video is all I need.
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that snippet is all you need because it validates your opinion/wish. His testimony in totality proves Trump threw a valued Ally under the bus, which contributes to continued death of Ukraine’s and all because Biden is beating Trump in the polls. Everything about this one incident is a perfect match to Trump’s demonstrated MO over his lifetime

Informed judgment says Trump is guilty

Don’t worry he won’t be thrown out. Censured is enough for me. That and the Southern District of New York nailing his 400 lb a$$ as soon as he vacated the office in Jan 2021
 
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PointGuard said:
that snippet is all you need because it validates your opinion/wish. His testimony in totality proves Trump threw a valued Ally under the bus, which contributes to continued death of Ukraine’s and all because Biden is beating Trump in the polls. Everything about this one incident is a perfect match to Trump’s demonstrated MO over his lifetime

Informed judgment says Trump is guilty

Don’t worry he won’t be thrown out. Censured is enough for me. That and the Southern District of New York nailing his 400 lb a$$ as soon as he vacated the office in Jan 2021
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It does no such thing and Sondland clearly stated that when pressed on specifics by Ratliff. That is all that matters.
 
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#24,074
Fellas, this is why the impeachment play is already backfiring: you actually have to argue with the Democrats own witness and then perform feats of illogical leaps to get to a place where something could be interpreted as impeachable. Keep it up!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It does no such thing and Sondland clearly stated that when pressed on specifics by Ratliff. That is all that matters.
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No that’s your interpretation. In fact Rat states that his exchange would be subject to differing interpretations and Sondland agreed

All this because I challenged Crush to debate Trump’s presidency and he, wisely, demurred

It remains unknown what facts will come out in Nadler’s program and what childless shenanigans the Repugs will lower them selves to continue to curry favor with the Grifter in chief

😁
 
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