The Impeachment Thread

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RockyTop85 said:
It certainly seems inconsistent to say Ukraine’s swamp evaporated immediately but Trump is still being hamstrung by ours after three years.

Maybe Ukraine’s politicians are just more effective than Trump?
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That is something to consider, especially when Trump had a Republican majority in the House as well as the Senate for his first two years.
 
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Rifleman said:
Yet, in those two years, not a single investigation into all this corruption they suddenly have deep-seeded concerns about. Strange.
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Nunes ran a very partisan House investigation into Russian meddling which concluded that Russia had not expressed a clear preference for Trump. And I guess you will kid yourself into believing that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have been inundated with subpoenas and investigations in those two years.
 
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hog88 said:
No shizz Russia is highly relevant, we let them annex a part of the country and they have invaded other areas.
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hog88 said:
Still all about the Russians huh? Do you check for Russians under your bed every night before you go to sleep?
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I'll get out of your way and let you fight it out with yourself from 20 minutes ago.
 
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Rifleman said:
Yet, in those two years, not a single investigation into all this corruption they suddenly have deep-seeded concerns about. Strange.
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Yeah, it’s completely impossible to fathom investigating an event that happened at one point in time before receiving information on it at another. why wasn’t there an investigation on July 26th? Why Wait for a whistleblower?

Again, my biggest issue is the sham going on at the American people’s expense. Both sides are guilty, both sides are correct. And no one is going to be truly punished. It’s a waste of time and resources. But it just irks me that one side gets to proffer opinions, feelings and conjecture as fact, while that constitutes conspiracy on the other side. Ukraine is corrupt. Russia is corrupt. The US government is corrupt. We all “meddle” in each others’ politics. This is pure political propaganda from our political/governing class to keep “we the people” divided into red vs blue.
 
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There was something Sondlund testified to that was especially damning to Trump's defense that he was only interested in rooting out corruption. Sondlund testified that Trump was only interested in Zelensky announcing an investigation into the Bidens but didn't care if it actually happened. This was all about politics.
 
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Kind of says it all here. Why DIMs want to stop Trump so badly.
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NorthDallas40 said:
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no just the opposite you made a religious stance exclusion appeal
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Sorry, I don’t know what that means.

The left typically look at individual behavior and say “but is it legal?” And “if not, does the law uphold our vision of equality?”

The right used to, as a whole, look at behavior and judge it by their personal valuation of right and wrong.

That’s nothing more than a description of some of the natural tension between the American right and American left.

But with Trump, his apologists have abandoned any pretense of those personal guiding principles of morality that create a valuation of “right or wrong.” We’re now to the point where they’re using sound bytes to thread the needle of some procedural technicality like “burden of proof” or just blatantly mischaracterizing the context of “high crimes and misdemeanors” to advance the notion that the conduct of this man is acceptable or unproven.

That’s not just limited to this instance of conduct. Obstruction, theft from charities, kids in cages, grabbing pussies, the response to Jamaal Kashoggi, Hong Kong... etcetera. If it’s not covered by “but Obama*” or “just like any other president” then it’s “that’s within his article II power.”

None of that is compatible with the Republican Party I supported. It doesn’t conserve anything and it puts slack in the line representing that tension I described above.

The point was not what the government should impose on people, that’s backwards, that’s what’s being capitulated to. It’s about what sense of morality the people should impose on their elected officials.
 
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