The Impeachment Thread

[luthervol]

To do as you say he has to have a willing opposition to participate.

There was no viable alternative.
The right failed.

 

[NorthDallas40]

No, your source for this is an idiot. Make up anything you want, but super fast internet speeds have been around forever. You could download the entirety of the DNC data fairly quickly remotely, or within the network. That one guy says one speedy download existed is proof of a vast conspiracy for you I'm sure, but it is not better than Pizzagate or Q-Anon trash.

The FBI has a full image and all the traffic logs. The NSA monitors all this. You are making stuff up so you can get a narrative that you like.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Also local network download speeds vs internet backbone which would be used for remote access.

My hardwired home network is GigE and I’ve verified those myself. So local computer to computer would hit those speeds. 125MBps, 1000Mbps. But once you pass thru the firewall that plummets ... just like a remote download would also. And that is consistent with what was reported in your article

If someone would have done the work to read the claims, it also pointed out that the internet Guccifer would have had would have been even slower than those found in America, which was too slow itself at the time to have downloaded at those speeds.

This report was put out by a group of former US Intel forensicators with a long history of holding US Intel claims accountable. In other words, they have a history of calling BS on US politically motivated Intel claims and turning out to be right. All the way back to Iraq's WMDz and lying Dubya.

Somehow one loses credibility by referencing your daughters gaming as your subject knowledge. Even if you are in IT... If you still have end users, you're not in this space.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No, your source for this is an idiot. Make up anything you want, but super fast internet speeds have been around forever. You could download the entirety of the DNC data fairly quickly remotely, or within the network. That one guy says one speedy download existed is proof of a vast conspiracy for you I'm sure, but it is not better than Pizzagate or Q-Anon trash.

The FBI has a full image and all the traffic logs. The NSA monitors all this. You are making stuff up so you can get a narrative that you like.

Sigh. Carry on.

 

[Rifleman]

Like I said, I’m not an expert in digital forensics. I’m also not a Trump supporter or a partisan cheerleader. That being said, what are the errors made in the following paragraph taken from the article?

“What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack. Other investigators have built on this finding. Folden and Edward Loomis say a survey published August 3, 2016, by www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index. It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively. Peak speeds at higher rates were recorded intermittently but still did not reach the required 22.7 megabytes per second.

“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.” Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote. “Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”

Speedtest can't give an accurate rating of anything over 100mbps unless you have the software downloaded on the host device. Speedtest themselves advises this.

Was the "forensic expert" in question able to download the software on the machines in question? Obviously not.

What you guys tend to do is ignore all the evidence leading to an obvious conclusion, that Russian intelligence hacked the server and gave the contents to Assange to leak.

 

[hog88]

There was no viable alternative.
The right failed.

There is an alternative, it's called being an adult. I didn't argue and fuss with my kids because I was teh adult, if you guys weren't rolling around in the mud with him and acting like adults who's he going to fight?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Speedtest can't give an accurate rating of anything over 100mbps unless you have the software downloaded on the host device. Speedtest themselves advises this.

Was the "forensic expert" in question able to download the software on the machines in question? Obviously not.

What you guys tend to do is ignore all the evidence leading to an obvious conclusion, that Russian intelligence hacked the server and gave the contents to Assange to leak.

So the documented published internet backbone rates which would have come directly into play for a remote transfer from the area are not reliable ... ok

 

[Rifleman]

I didn't finish reading this post because i was embarrassed for you. If you're going to condescend, you'd darn well better not show yourself ignorant of the subject.

They calculated it to be in megabytes. Bytes. Not bits, which are smaller, and the measurement used for internet specs.

How many bits are in byte, sweety? The speeds I posted were absolutely capable of downloading either amount of data in the time prescribed.

How pathetic an attempt this is to claim victory.

You aren't getting away with it because you have no idea what your talking about.

Again, your forensic "expert" is an idiot and you are dupe for falling for it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How bits are in byte, sweety? The speeds I posted were absolutely capable of downloading either amount of data in the time prescribed.

How pathetic an attempt this is to claim victory.

You aren't getting away with it because you have no idea what your talking about.

Again, your forensic "expert" is an idiot and you are dupe for falling for it.

Please, by all means, keep digging.

 

[Rifleman]

So the documented published internet backbone rates which would have come directly into play for a remote transfer from the area are not reliable ... ok

Buddy. You don't what you are talking about. Those are the rates from the fake expert to begin with. Speed Test can't accurately measure higher that 100 mbps without downloading software on the source machine, so they would not have the data for the backbone. That is much fast that what is throttled through ISPs.

Here is a screenshot from a Google employee showing off their download speeds in 2011.



I know you guys are addicted to being wrong about everything, but arguing anyway, so I doubt you'll find anything I say convincing.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean, and a nice looking guy." Who said that? Was that WTOB? No, it was Joe Biden.

Yeah, and guess what? Biden is a relic. He is a fool. So, way to compare WTNOB's mental capacity to Bidens. It's sweet of you, albeit somewhat flattering.

Just because someone wasn't the first person to say something stupid doesn't mean they're immune from stupidity themselves.

 

[Rifleman]

Please, by all means, keep digging.

How many bits in a byte?

Such a simple question. Why won't you answer? You called me out on that difference but now you don't know?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Buddy. You don't what you are talking about. Those are the rates from the fake expert to begin with. Speed Test can't accurately measure higher that 100 mbps without downloading software on the source machine, so they would not have the data for the backbone. That is much fast that what is throttled through ISPs.

Here is a screenshot from a Google employee showing off their download speeds in 2011.

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I know you guys are addicted to being wrong about everything, but arguing anyway, so I doubt you'll find anything I say convincing.

So in order to counter IT forensics professionals using published internet backbone sustainable speeds you counter with ... a game screenshot

 

[Rifleman]

So in order to counter IT forensics professionals using published internet backbone sustainable speeds you counter with ... a game screenshot

I counter with an example that proves he is is full of it, and no expert. Exactly like you.

On 2/28/2011 a google employee was downloading at 32MBps, speeds which your expert said did not exist in 2016. Not even for Russian intelligence operatives.

What a maroon!

 

[DinkinFlicka]

And he got elected because he was "eloquent." You f***ing rube. It sure wasn't Al Sharpton on that dem ticket. Take your blinders off. How intelligent do you have to be to know that. Same reason you'll never see the Duck Callers on a national ticket. A person has to have "electable qualities", by white standards.

Obama was elected because his opposition was weak in all three phases of his campaigns. Hillary? Mccain/Palin? Romney/Ryan?

Half this forum would have thwarted those tickets. And if you really think eloquence wins elections, please explain the 3rd grade vocabulary eating McDonald's in the Oval Office at the moment.

I feel like I'm on some prank show, being punked for arguing with a mentally deficient missing link who is legally required to wear a helmet when leaving his playpen.

 

[Mick]

No, your source for this is an idiot. Make up anything you want, but super fast internet speeds have been around forever. You could download the entirety of the DNC data fairly quickly remotely, or within the network. That one guy says one speedy download existed is proof of a vast conspiracy for you I'm sure, but it is not better than Pizzagate or Q-Anon trash.

The FBI has a full image and all the traffic logs. The NSA monitors all this. You are making stuff up so you can get a narrative that you like.

Are the Redhats seriously going that route, Ukraine hacked the DNC just to try to support Trumps ridiculousness claims? When confronted with numerous reports from our IC and congress Russia hacked the DNC, the Redhat narrative is "we don't know for sure the Russians hacked the DNC because the FBI didn't confiscate the server". It is standard procedure to accept images when intrusions occur. I can't think of a single high profile cyber intrusion where the physical servers were confiscated.

 

[GVF]

Obama was elected because his opposition was weak in all three phases of his campaigns. Hillary? Mccain/Palin? Romney/Ryan?

Half this forum would have thwarted those tickets. And if you really think eloquence wins elections, please explain the 3rd grade vocabulary eating McDonald's in the Oval Office at the moment.

I feel like I'm on some prank show, being punked for arguing with a mentally deficient missing link who is legally required to wear a helmet when leaving his playpen.

And I'm seriously depressed to find out you are from Jackson. How sad for them. And you're a putz that has never been able to post a statement or reply to anything or anyone without being a complete dolt and smart a** from the first words out of your mouth. Superman.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Buddy. You don't what you are talking about. Those are the rates from the fake expert to begin with. Speed Test can't accurately measure higher that 100 mbps without downloading software on the source machine, so they would not have the data for the backbone. That is much fast that what is throttled through ISPs.

Here is a screenshot from a Google employee showing off their download speeds in 2011.

View attachment 240929

I know you guys are addicted to being wrong about everything, but arguing anyway, so I doubt you'll find anything I say convincing.

Whoa whoa whoa...

You know there's a difference between downloading at a rate of 32 Megabytes p/s and an internet speed of 32 Megabits* per second, right?

Like a megabyte =/= megabit. You realize this, right?

 

[GVF]

I counter with an example that proves he is is full of it, and no expert. Exactly like you.

On 2/28/2011 a google employee was downloading at 32MBps, speeds which your expert said did not exist in 2016. Not even for Russian intelligence operatives.

What a maroon!

No offense. Let this one go.

 

[Rifleman]

Are the Redhats seriously going that route, Ukraine hacked the DNC just to try to support Trumps ridiculousness claims? When confronted with numerous reports from our IC and congress Russia hacked the DNC, the Redhat narrative is "we don't know for sure the Russians hacked the DNC because the FBI didn't confiscate the server". It is standard procedure to accept images when intrusions occur. I can't think of a single high profile cyber intrusion where the physical servers were confiscated.

A gum wrapper in a bush on K Street could be turned into a support of Trump's craziest theory in their world.

It is amazing what you can do when you unplug your brain, get on your knees, and pray to The Chosen One.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

And I'm seriously depressed to find out you are from Jackson. How sad for them. And you're a putz that has never been able to post a statement or reply to anything or anyone without being a complete dolt and smart a** from the first words out of your mouth. Superman.

"Blah blah blah I don't have a proper counter to his point so I'm going to just sit on my keyboard and hope for the best."

Trust me, being from Jackson isn't exactly my favorite quality.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How many bits in a byte?

Such a simple question. Why won't you answer? You called me out on that difference but now you don't know?

8.

Which means that Guccifer would have had to have downloaded across the Atlantic at over 200 Mb/sec. The US did not have 200+ Mb/s downloads in 2015, and cross-Atlantic internet had NOwhere near that.


If you don't believe me, a brief internet search should clear it up for you.

Like I said, the claims were made by a group of former US Intel operators who have a history of calling the US Intel out for politically fuelled claims, and being right. There's a reason that those who tried to debunk the claims didn't use the tact you tied to use--because they knew better.

Your ego is working against you on this one. Your best bet is to fill in the bunker you've dug and re-dig it in a better chosen battle.

 

[GVF]

Whoa whoa whoa...

You know there's a difference between downloading at a rate of 32 Megabytes p/s and an internet speed of 32 Megabits* per second, right?

Like a megabyte =/= megabit. You realize this, right?

Don't bother. Then been trying to explain that to him since about an hour before you logged in.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Don't bother. Then been trying to explain that to him since about an hour before you logged in.

And you weren't able to do it in, you know, y'all's level?

 

[luthervol]

There is an alternative, it's called being an adult. I didn't argue and fuss with my kids because I was teh adult, if you guys weren't rolling around in the mud with him and acting like adults who's he going to fight?

You would expect the president to be an adult. (or maybe that's just me)
I didn't argue with my kids because they were kids and I'm an adult.
Now when there is an "adult" in a position of authority that constantly behaves like a kid, that's another story.
At first you would hope that people would be wise enough not to put such a person in a position of authority.
Then you would hope that they would at least recognize the error of their decision and correct it.
Having seen both of those safeguards fail, you're left with few options.