The Impeachment Thread

[volinsd]

So here's the problem for Trump and his ilk: He can't claim "hearsay" on the one hand, while on the other hand simultaneously preventing potential witnesses with first-hand knowledge to testify.

This constitutes obstruction AND effectively qualifies hearsay as the best evidence available.

Back to obstruction now....got it.
And the wheel in the sky keeps on turning!

 

[C-south]

Pretty damning hear say, luckily this isn't the trial; and even if it were, hear say can be admissible as evidence.
Trump is guilty of bribery. At least that's what all evidence is pointing toward.

Objection! Hearsay

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It really just all boils down to Trump being a historically horrendously despicable human who should have never been nominated, never elected, and certainly undeserving of any continued support.
His own people came close to a mass midnight resignation.
His own people considered the possibilities of invoking the 25th.
His own people knew they had to undermine him for the sake of the country.

yawn.

 

[1972 Grad]

Back to obstruction now....got it.
And the wheel in the sky keeps on turning!

Don't know where I'll be tomorrow.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I hate Journey

 

[volinsd]

Don't know where I'll be tomorrow.

We'll be doing this same thing tomorrow 72 lol

 

[zeppelin128]

naaah. I appreciate that you are a true supporter and I won't get in the weeds with you over him.

Fair enough.

 

[VolnJC]

 

[Obsessed]

I told you the evidence.

Vindman witnessed Sondland demanding investigations in exchange for aid.
Sondland admitted it.
Sondland told Taylor the game plan way back in June.
Sondland revised the game plan on September 1st and said he was mistaken that only the White House visit depended on investigations.
The aid was actually held up.
Trump asks for the investigations in the phone call.
Mulvaney admitted it.

In what universe is that “no evidence?”

Taylor never said any of that.

The meeting at the WH never happened and Taylor’s testimony blew up in yalls face.

4th removed hearsay isn’t evidence

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Taylor never said any of that.

The meeting at the WH never happened and Taylor’s testimony blew up in yalls face.

4th removed hearsay isn’t evidence

But that one genius told me yesterday that hearsay is more valuable than direct knowledge so it must be true

 

[hog88]

And voters like you are why we have a disaster of a President.

Not I. If we had more voters like me Jill Stein would be president and we’d really have a disaster.

 

[Obsessed]

But that one genius told me yesterday that hearsay is more valuable than direct knowledge so it must be true

Not to mention he’s calling the president of Ukraine a liar.
The man gave a full statement to the world press stating none of this **** happened.

 

[Velo Vol]

Things have gotten so bad that yesterday Trump asked Melania where "that kid" has been.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Things have gotten so bad that yesterday Trump asked Melania where "that kid" has been.

Sounds almost as serious as getting two scoops of ice cream

 

[1972 Grad]

I hate Journey

I don't even know you anymore.

 

[1972 Grad]

I don’t know your neighbors but, in May, Perry, Sondland, and Volker began assisting Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, with securing these investigations. They spent two months trying to use leverage to get the Ukrainians to commit to investigations that included Hunter Biden.

July 10 Sondland tells Ukraine’s national security advisor no WH meeting unless we get investigations. Bolton ends meeting, makes drug deal comment, ultimately resigns.

By July 18, no investigation had been announced and aid was delayed. None of those four men has the authority to do that. Trump and Mulvaney are the only people who could have done that.

Two weeks later, Volker texts a member of Ukraine’s government and explicitly tells him that they must deliver on the investigations to get a WH meeting.

The next day, Trump’s phone call with Zelensky establishes that he personally wanted the investigations and he wanted Biden investigated. He tries to leverage javeline missiles to get them.

Still no public announcement of investigation. Still no release of aid.

August 29, it’s published in politico that the aid is withheld. Taylor texts Sondland “that’s crazy.” Sondland: call me. Taylor says that, over the phone, Sondland told him that “everything” was now conditioned on the investigations and that his prior statement that it was just the WH meeting was “a mistake.” Effectively says Trump’s not signing the check until he gets what he’s owed.

September 1: Sondland tells Yermak no investigations = no money.

September 9 Joeseph Maguire makes WH OLC aware of the whistle blower complaint. Schiff starts bitching. September 11 aid is released.

That’s just off the top of my head. So yeah, good luck with “there’s no evidence,” and “no connection between aid and investigations” and “wouldn’t hold up in a court of law” defenses because there is a mountain of evidence despite frivolous claims of executive privilege, there was an explicit connection between aid and investigations, and impeachment is literally a court of public opinion.

Also, lol at all these process arguments. Trump already victimized the process. He doesn’t get to skate on obstruction charges by the sole virtue of being the president of the United States and then have a cry about relaxed evidentiary rules in an impeachment hearing. You want Trump to have the full panoply of constitutional rights? He can waive immunity at any time, tell the DOJ to indict him, and have a trial in a court of law. Good luck with that though because Federal courts treat circumstantial and direct evidence in the exact same way and most of this falls into the numerous exceptions to hearsay.

I’d say he finds his current situation, where he doesn’t have to worry about a pesky thing like an impartial jury, to be preferable.

Your Sondland story just fell apart.

 

[norrislakevol]

So here's the problem for Trump and his ilk: He can't claim "hearsay" on the one hand, while on the other hand simultaneously preventing potential witnesses with first-hand knowledge to testify.

This constitutes obstruction AND effectively qualifies hearsay as the best evidence available.

Ummm.....who has first hand knowledge???? Oh wait, we all do, because the transcript of the call has been released!

 

[norrislakevol]

Pretty damning hear say, luckily this isn't the trial; and even if it were, hear say can be admissible as evidence.
Trump is guilty of bribery. At least that's what all evidence is pointing toward.

Absolutely not guilty of bribery. Who was he paying off? The released transcript of the call shows no such thing.

 

[1972 Grad]

I predict that eventually Nancy will say "we have done our constitutional responsibility of oversight, laid out the evidence of corruption in the Trump administration, and since an impeachment would have no chance of conviction by the partisans in the Senate, we have decided that the judgment should be made by the voters, since the election is just around the corner. We think that going ahead with the impeachment at this point would be too disruptive to the country." It won't go to a vote.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

I predict that eventually Nancy will say "we have done our constitutional responsibility of oversight, laid out the evidence of corruption in the Trump administration, and since an impeachment would have no chance of conviction by the partisans in the Senate, we have decided that the judgment should be made by the voters, since the election is just around the corner. We think that going ahead with the impeachment at this point would be too disruptive to the country." It won't go to a vote.

She will use the gators death and ensuing heartbreak of the country as an excuse. No way she can admit another failed coup. Hell,l S(cia)hiff is probably got the pillow over her face now.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[ajvol01]

They had their star witness clarify he heard it from someone who heard from someone that heard from someone that hates Trump.

REO Speedwagon impeachment hoax

 

[ajvol01]

I said anyone with half a brain sees the increasing likelihood of Trump's guilt. Anyone with at least three quarters of a brain already knows he is guilty.
So then no, I do not agree that nothing has been proven. Got it? I'm glad you're starting to catch on.

I hope your friends find you and help you get out of there

 

[ajvol01]

Take that whataboutism directly to the trash. Hillary was POTUS.

Hillary was POTUS?

 

[1972 Grad]

Hillary was POTUS?

She is now because she won the popular vote.