The Impeachment Thread

[Septic]

I think the one constant that has come from all of this is that everybody involved would love to choke the ever loving **** out of Rudy with their bare hands. He had/has Trumps ear in all of this and it hasn’t served Trump well at all.

No way man, Rudy is the gift that keeps on giving. Heard he's going to start his own podcast, seriously. What could go wrong in a scenario where Rudy gets an open mic with no one to pull on his choker chain?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Trump calls Sondland on his personal cell phone while he is eating at a restaurant in Kiev. At the very least Ukraine has that call recorded and you know Putin does as well. That's just the start....how do you discuss government work on a personal cell? How stupid does one person have to be?

As dumb as Hillary?


You throwing rocks in a glass house?

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

As dumb as Hillary?


You throwing rocks in a glass house?

Take that whataboutism directly to the trash. Hillary was POTUS.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I told you the evidence.

Vindman witnessed Sondland demanding investigations in exchange for aid.
Sondland admitted it.
Sondland told Taylor the game plan way back in June.
Sondland revised the game plan on September 1st and said he was mistaken that only the White House visit depended on investigations.
The aid was actually held up.
Trump asks for the investigations in the phone call.
Mulvaney admitted it.

In what universe is that “no evidence?”

If a bunch of politicians, or politician relatives, are recieving illegal foreign money why shouldn't an investigation be asked for?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Take that whataboutism directly to the trash. Hillary was POTUS.

I'm assuming you meant wasn't? Secretary of state directly under POTUS is right there. Did the same thing you're complaining about and was in the 30,000 range with emails. Not just a single phone call. Yet she was found innocent.


Seems you think it's trash based on political affiliation.

 

[Sandman 423]

Thread recap:
Republicans: no firsthand info!
Democrats: because Trump is blocking their testimony...
Republicans: we need to hear from the whistleblower!
Democrats: why? Did you already forget your first defense.
Republicans: no quid pro quo
Democrats: not required to be a crime but there is one how do you not see it?
Republicans: read the transcript
Democrats: uh...we did
Republicans: we always do quid pro quo.
Democrats: ......wait what?
Republicans: it cant be a crime because they didn't know we were holding up the money.
Democrats: yes they did
Republicans: not according to today's testimony. You're wrong!
Democrats: you do realize people with firsthand info have already testified and those transcripts have been released right? These 2 guys today were just the first to come back in public...
Republicans: we need transparency those previous testimonials were taken behind closed doors. Not fair.
Democrats: yall passed those rules when investigating Hillary...did you forget?
Republicans: what about Biden?
Democrats: what about him?
Republicans: what about the server?
Democrats: what about it?
Republicans: deep state!
Democrats: all of these people were appointed to their positions by the current administration.
Republicans: see you still don't have firsthand information. Gotcha
Democrats: you have to be f'n kidding...
Republicans: Time to call everyone by their nicknames. Shifty and Nasty are crooks.
Democrats: how do you know this?
Republicans: I heard it from someone who heard it.
Democrats: you guys are morons...
Republicans: but the economy!
Democrats: yes unlike Bush after Clinton Trump after Obama has not crashed the economy.
Republicans: the left are communists
Democrats: Trump is literally working for/with Russia.
Republicans: but he pulled our troops out of the middle east.
Democrats: where do you think Saudi Arabia is?
Republicans: liberals are all stupid.
Democrats: you guys wear ugly hats.
Republicans: we need to hear from the whistleblower!!!
Democrats: we need to hear from Trump, Pompeo, Mulvaney, Bolton, Pence and many others.
Republicans: why?
Democrats: to get the firsthand testimony you guys want and to get to the truth.
Republicans: the President has the right to not cooperate with this witch hunt part 2.
Democrats: do you guys hear yourselves?
Republicans: no Democrat will win if they impeach Trump.
Democrats: see the last election and the current Kentucky and Virginia elections.
Republicans: voter fraud
Democrats: where's your firsthand information?
Republicans: make America great again!
Democrats: do you see the double standard?
Republicans: you never answered about Biden or the server.
Democrats: it was Russia that interfered
Republicans: no it wasn't it was Ukraine
Democrats: says who with firsthand information?
Republicans: Trump and Q
Democrats: but Trump didn't go to the Ukraine and Q is anonymous so that's secondhand info?
Republicans: is this where we are to acknowledge our hypocrisy....
Democrats: waiting....
Republicans: Trump 2020!

Rinse and repeat.

Man I hope you copy and pasted this bad boy.

 

[37L1]

If a bunch of politicians, or politician relatives, are recieving illegal foreign money why shouldn't an investigation be asked for?

Because politicians don't want one?

 

[Weezer]

How do you weigh what Rock Top laid out?

Not definitive. Do I believe Trump could be guilty? Absolutely. Now show me something more concrete to prove it. Circumstantial evidence isn't enough IMO. This goes beyond whether or not you like Trump. We're talking about impeaching a POTUS. You have to, IMO, consider if this is the precedent you want to set for impeachment going forward. Right now, it's more partisan than not IMO. I want to see stronger evidence.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

I'm assuming you meant wasn't? Secretary of state directly under POTUS is right there. Did the same thing you're complaining about and was in the 30,000 range with emails. Not just a single phone call. Yet she was found innocent.


Seems you think it's trash based on political affiliation.

Typo obviously. She was found innocent after she sat in front of the senate for 8 hours, and I am not a Hillary fan. Something I would love to see Trump do on his own. But her emails!

 

[Septic]

My problem is we already know how those who decide will weigh it. In the eyes of the Dems, he's guilty. In the eyes of the GOP, he's not. That's why I look for something that truly defines which is true. Partisanship should never be the reason a POTUS is impeached. I think you need definitive proof, and without some concrete evidence, I'm just not sure the Dems have it.

Just so we're clear is it that the GOP doesn't think he's guilty or is that they don't care?

Perhaps a litmus test of intellectual honesty would be to put Clinton in Trumps spot - had she done something similar, would they call her corrupt and unelectable?

oh wait.

 

[NorthDallas40]

No way man, Rudy is the gift that keeps on giving. Heard he's going to start his own podcast, seriously. What could go wrong in a scenario where Rudy gets an open mic with no one to pull on his choker chain?

I’m pretty certain if Volker could get about 5 minutes alone with Rudy he’d be up on a second degree murder charge. Not first degree because it clearly would be an impulsive crime of passion. He might even get his thumbs stuck in Rudy’s larynx

 

[hog88]

We completely destabilized the northern section and allowed Russia to move in, just like they wanted.

We did not, the Turks did.

 

[37L1]

Not definitive. Do I believe Trump could be guilty? Absolutely. Now show me something more concrete to prove it. Circumstantial evidence isn't enough IMO. This goes beyond whether or not you like Trump. We're talking about impeaching a POTUS. You have to, IMO, consider if this is the precedent you want to set for impeachment going forward. Right now, it's more partisan than not IMO. I want to see stronger evidence.

Doesn't matter what you want. It's up to the House to decide what is an impeachable offense and how much evidence they need is arbitrary and already decided. What they need to do to prevail at trial is convince enough Senators that there is enough there to support removal from office. That's who they have to convince. Right now, I believe they are short of that mark. Let's see what else shakes out in the remaining days before the House goes on recess. *8 days left in December.

Either way it goes, the result will be more turmoil and the election will be a barrel of laughs.

*House is in session.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

We did not, the Turks did.

Literally hours after we pulled out the Turks moved in and the Russians were right behind. So the Turks raised Russian flags in Manbij and Deraa? Is that what you are saying? Those weren't Russian troops?

 

[Weezer]

Just so we're clear is it that the GOP doesn't think he's guilty or is that they don't care?

Perhaps a litmus test of intellectual honesty would be to put Clinton in Trumps spot - had she done something similar, would they call her corrupt and unelectable?

oh wait.

As to your first question, I have no idea what they're thinking.

As to your second question, my disdain for Hillary has been made known. I think she did worse things, with evidence to support it, and was never charged. But that's my opinion.

I'm not saying Trump's innocent. I'm saying show me something more concrete to prove it.

 

[hog88]

Literally hours after we pulled out the Turks moved in and the Russians were right behind. So the Turks raised Russian flags in Manbij and Deraa? Is that what you are saying? Those weren't Russian troops?

The Turks were coming in regardless if our troops were there or not. There was no reason to risk a conflict with Turkey and our soldiers lives.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

Doesn't matter what you want. It's up to the House to decide what is an impeachable offense and how much evidence they need is arbitrary and already decided. What they need to do to prevail at trial is convince enough Senators that there is enough there to support removal from office. That's who they have to convince. Right now, I believe they are short of that mark. Let's see what else shakes out in the remaining days before the House goes on recess. *8 days left in December.

Either way it goes, the result will be more turmoil and the election will be a barrel of laughs.

*House is in session.

You could sew Lindsay Graham's eyelids open, make him watch a video of Trump committing treason and that still wouldn't happen.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

The Turks were coming in regardless if our troops were there or not. There was no reason to risk a conflict with Turkey and our soldiers lives.

OK, I was under the impression you weren't completely full of S*IT. Have a good day sir.

 

[hog88]

OK, I was under the impression you weren't completely full of S*IT. Have a good day sir.

I had no delusions that you were informed.

 

[luthervol]

I'm assuming you meant wasn't? Secretary of state directly under POTUS is right there. Did the same thing you're complaining about and was in the 30,000 range with emails. Not just a single phone call. Yet she was found innocent.

George W. Bush's White House "lost" 22 million emails


Clinton's email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House "lost" 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America's recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons.

Which did you hear the most screaming and gnashing of teeth over?

 

[ajvol01]

There’s a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office

It would take just three Republican senators to turn the impeachment vote into a secret ballot.

Because that’s what the country needs more of - government secrecy and zero accountability.

 

[VolnJC]

Wow Bongino booked the Pres...guess he is the heir apparent when Rush shuts down the golden microphone?

 

[evillawyer]

Wow Bongino booked the Pres...guess he is the heir apparent when Rush shuts down the golden microphone?

Yay! A little Friday night softball.

 

[Septic]

As to your first question, I have no idea what they're thinking.

As to your second question, my disdain for Hillary has been made known. I think she did worse things, with evidence to support it, and was never charged. But that's my opinion.

I'm not saying Trump's innocent. I'm saying show me something more concrete to prove it.

More concrete than every adult in the room pointing and yelling that 'he did that sht'? More concrete than the ambassadors to the EU and Ukraine saying 'he did that sht'? More concrete than Mulvaney admitting it to the press that 'they did that sht'?

Let's be honest, there's not much that is going to move his supporters from 'nope' to 'yep' and nothing will move them from not caring to caring...

I think if he wanted to be exonerated he'd be trotting the 1st hand knowledge guys like Bolton and Mulvaney down the aisle to the congressional hotseat and stop hiding behind "executive privilege." He knows he goofed and the only page in his playbook is to discredit and deny and claim it's "unfair and illegitimate."

 

[Septic]

Wow Bongino booked the Pres...guess he is the heir apparent when Rush shuts down the golden microphone?

Good for Bongino, sound like he spent enough time inside the barrel that trump is finally going to pat him on the head.