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#126
901Vol said:
It’s absurd to compare Casey Clausen to Peyton Manning but I keep hearing people compare the Florida games as if Casey Clausen played against the same Florida teams as Peyton did. I’m sure Peyton would’ve had a much better record against Florida if he played against 2 Ron Zook coached teams. As for the drain the swamp game, Travis Stephens rushed for more yards than Casey passed for and that's with an offense that had Stallworth, Washington, and Witten.

Now, if you want another counterpoint about Peyton vs Casey just look at how Casey did against Georgia. I’ll never forget when he was hurt in 2002 and we played a close game with James Banks as our qb. Casey said something to the effect of “I would’ve beaten with an arm tied behind my back. In 2003, he proceeded to lose to Georgia 41-14 at Neyland.

Casey was a solid qb and I think the fanbase appreciates him more these days because the last 15 years of Vol football have been mostly disappointing. However, he wasn't anywhere close to Peyton in ability and his "iceman" name was mostly built by getting road wins against teams we were supposed to beat in regulation. People seem to forget what those overtime Arkansas, Alabama, and South Carolina games were like in that era. All three of those games were against unranked opponents that we should've beaten handily in regulation.
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This is fair.

I would counter with Casey single season QBR is higher than Peyton and he threw less picks.

You could counter that Peyton threw for more yards and TDs.

I could counter Casey beat Spurrier.

You could counter he lost to Saban in the sec title game.

This is why I think it's a fair debate and not easily decided. It's very close.

Anyone who says its total nonsense is just a Peyton worshiper.
 
#129
#129
ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
The whole team was uptight and tense against Florida even to this day. Remember the game during Manning’s sophomore year? We were ahead by over a touchdown near the end of the half or early in the 2nd half and one hit on a WR completely changed the tone of the game and the remaining games during Manning’s college career. It even changed the tone of the series even to this day. Florida just had a psychological advantage over UT that started with Spurrier.
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Are you referring to the hit on Joey Kent? Tennessee was ahead 23-14 at the time. Then the very next Florida possession they forced a fumble that Raymond Austin picked up and ran nearly 50 yards for a TD. That put Tennessee up 30-14 with a little over 3 minutes left in the first half. UF scored a TD late in the quarter to cut the score to 30-21. The hit on Kent was nasty, but hard to say that it changed the tone of the game. Tennessee was just completely overwhelmed in the second half.
 
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#130
I never thought I'd see a thread about Steve Spurrier being afraid of Casey Clausen but here we are. I've attached the box score and maybe somewhere in that you can spin the narrative that OBC was afraid of Casey Clausen. This is my favorite Tennessee game of all time and I remember it vividly. Travis Stephens ran all over them and that's how we won that game.
 

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#132
901Vol said:
I never thought I'd see a thread about Steve Spurrier being afraid of Casey Clausen but here we are. I've attached the box score and maybe somewhere in that you can spin the narrative that OBC was afraid of Casey Clausen. This is my favorite Tennessee game of all time and I remember it vividly. Travis Stephens ran all over them and that's how we won that game.
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Stephens performance was my favorite in Vols history. Just an incredible game
 
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I remember so many fans talking trash about Casey Clausen when he played for Tennessee. Those of us who appreciated him were in a small minority.
 
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There was something strange between he and Fulmer for sure.

Mathews vs. Applewhite

I remember his Sr. year at the Peach Bowl. It seems as though Fulmer wasn’t trying to win that game but rather pad Clausen’s stats.
 
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#140
Backwards K said:
Clausen had a 34-10 record with losses including:
--1-3 Bowl record including blow out losses to K-State, Clemson, & Maryland
--8-5 record in 02 (Vols preseason #4)which included blowout losses at home to
-Florida 30-13. Clausen had about 7 fumbles in the rain
-Alabama 34-14
-Miami 26-3
-Also lost at UGA18-13 and in the bowl game to Maryland 30-3--
--Lost at home to UGA in Sr year 41-14
--Lost to an unranked Auburn team same year 28-21 and threw an INT on last drive in that one
--Lost to an unranked Clemson team 27-14 (Vols #6) in the bowl game.

Had some very good games including 2 wins in Gainesville, a 5 OT win vs an unranked Bama, OT wins vs unranked Arkansas and South Carolina teams, a 10-6 win at Miami, a blowout win over Michigan in a bowl game, a win over an unranked ND team, and a 4-0 record vs UK and Vandy. All in all, a good career. Only problem, the Vols were coming off a 4 year stretch where the Vols had gone 43-7 with two SEC Championships and a National Title. His tenure was good but a sizeable step down from where they had been
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This post shows you don’t know football
 
#142
#142
901Vol said:
It’s absurd to compare Casey Clausen to Peyton Manning but I keep hearing people compare the Florida games as if Casey Clausen played against the same Florida teams as Peyton did. I’m sure Peyton would’ve had a much better record against Florida if he played against 2 Ron Zook coached teams. As for the drain the swamp game, Travis Stephens rushed for more yards than Casey passed for and that's with an offense that had Stallworth, Washington, and Witten.

Now, if you want another counterpoint about Peyton vs Casey just look at how Casey did against Georgia. I’ll never forget when he was hurt in 2002 and we played a close game with James Banks as our qb. Casey said something to the effect of “I would’ve beaten with an arm tied behind my back. In 2003, he proceeded to lose to Georgia 41-14 at Neyland.

Casey was a solid qb and I think the fanbase appreciates him more these days because the last 15 years of Vol football have been mostly disappointing. However, he wasn't anywhere close to Peyton in ability and his "iceman" name was mostly built by getting road wins against teams we were supposed to beat in regulation. People seem to forget what those overtime Arkansas, Alabama, and South Carolina games were like in that era. All three of those games were against unranked opponents that we should've beaten handily in regulation.
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He never made that quote. Quit falling for fake news
 
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#143
NEO said:
True.

But.....

If you take away Peyton's 4 straight loses he is 2-3 against spurrier which is a very close number.

Both the QB's who followed Peyton beat Spurrier.
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Teams when and lose games. To blame Peyton for never bearing Florida is silly. We could not stop Florida defensively in those years.
 
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NEO said:
He had the same issue in the NFL.

GOAT of the regular season but always got tense and had a bad tendency to throw picks really late in the game when it was on the line. The colts should have beaten the Patriots more often than not in my opinion but Brady always seemed to make less mistakes especially when it was clutch time.

It's a very unpopular belief on here but if the game is on the line and all players are the same but the QB then I am rolling with Casey over Peyton. Especially if its against Fl.

He also retired Spurrier from FL as the FL game was the last regular season game Spurrier coached there. Spurrier saw Casey and decided he didn't want another 2 years of that.
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Peyton was 3-1 vs Brady in AFC title games
 
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Boston Vol said:
Are you referring to the hit on Joey Kent? Tennessee was ahead 23-14 at the time. Then the very next Florida possession they forced a fumble that Raymond Austin picked up and ran nearly 50 yards for a TD. That put Tennessee up 30-14 with a little over 3 minutes left in the first half. UF scored a TD late in the quarter to cut the score to 30-21. The hit on Kent was nasty, but hard to say that it changed the tone of the game. Tennessee was just completely overwhelmed in the second half.
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Peyton dominated Florida that day from the get go, the issue was 3rd and Chavis and turnovers
 
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#147
volsknx said:
There was something strange between he and Fulmer for sure.

Mathews vs. Applewhite

I remember his Sr. year at the Peach Bowl. It seems as though Fulmer wasn’t trying to win that game but rather pad Clausen’s stats.
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I guess that money didn't help Rick win the starting job a few years later. The same thing basically happend with the Clausens a few years later when Rick got beat out by 2 freshmen they were pissed how Rick was treated. That article Mathews dad wrote just sounds like a bitter dad. I remember seeing Fulmer in an interview on tv saying if he'd gotten Jimmy Clausen he'd still be the hc of Tennessee.
 
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#148
VOL6479 said:
I guess that money didn't help Rick win the starting job a few years later. The same thing basically happend with the Clausens a few years later when Rick got beat out by 2 freshmen they were pissed how Rick was treated. That article Mathews dad wrote just sounds like a bitter dad. I remember seeing Fulmer in an interview on tv saying if he'd gotten Jimmy Clausen he'd still be the hc of Tennessee.
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Rick ended up being the starter. Albeit because of injury and a mental lapse. Seems to me though that it would take half of a quarter for the ball to travel across the field when he threw a 10 yard out pattern. To use Pruitt's wording, Rick Clausen did give us the best chance to win those games. And, he won several.

I know and understand that the QB releases the ball before the receiver turns his head. However, when he threw it, it was before the receiver even made his cut. I understood why he wasn't the starter for LSU at the time.
 
#150
#150
Casey was a warrior, my second favorite QB of all time. Rick on the other hand....:rolleyes:
 
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