The Hypocrisy of a Kiffin Hire

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Look, I want this to end as much as any of us. The garbage that I've been reading about TN is neither fair nor accurate and the only way to change the narrative is to hire someone who is ready to get to work on leading the team.

However, all of this "hire Kiffin" talk is ridiculous. The only Kiffin worth chasing was Layla (sorry Monte). If Kiffin were to abandon another team for a bigger splash after only one year, what does that say about him? What would it say about UT?

The guy's tenure here was marred with controversy and impropriety and it is a sign of desperation to think that he should return, forgiven, to a program that he had a hand in throwing into decline.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but Kiffin has a stink of immature entitlement on him that follows him wherever he goes. Were here to opportunistically bail on a contract AGAIN after only a year then it is evident that he has not grown up at all.

Let's hire an adult this time who understands that this job still means something to a great deal of us and will respect what took a long time to build.
 
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Guyute said:
Look, I want this to end as much as any of us. The garbage that I've been reading about TN is neither fair nor accurate and the only way to change the narrative is to hire someone who is ready to get to work on leading the team.

However, all of this "hire Kiffin" talk is ridiculous. The only Kiffin worth chasing was Layla (sorry Monte). If Kiffin were to abandon another team for a bigger splash after only one year, what does that say about him? What would it say about UT?

The guy's tenure here was marred with controversy and impropriety and it is a sign of desperation to think that he should return, forgiven, to a program that he had a hand in throwing into decline.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but Kiffin has a stink of immature entitlement on him that follows him wherever he goes. Were here to opportunistically bail on a contract AGAIN after only a year then it is evident that he has not grown up at all.

Let's hire an adult this time who understands that this job still means something to a great deal of us and will respect what took a long time to build.
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Kiffin is adult enough if he could work for Saban. Get over it. He would be a great hire this time around. Win with swagger! :rock:
 
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Look, I want this to end as much as any of us. The garbage that I've been reading about TN is neither fair nor accurate and the only way to change the narrative is to hire someone who is ready to get to work on leading the team.

However, all of this "hire Kiffin" talk is ridiculous. The only Kiffin worth chasing was Layla (sorry Monte). If Kiffin were to abandon another team for a bigger splash after only one year, what does that say about him? What would it say about UT?

The guy's tenure here was marred with controversy and impropriety and it is a sign of desperation to think that he should return, forgiven, to a program that he had a hand in throwing into decline.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but Kiffin has a stink of immature entitlement on him that follows him wherever he goes. Were here to opportunistically bail on a contract AGAIN after only a year then it is evident that he has not grown up at all.

Let's hire an adult this time who understands that this job still means something to a great deal of us and will respect what took a long time to build.
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I'm not just 100% on Kiffin, but comparing leaving UT to leaving FAU is crazy. Leaving a smaller program for a better one in a better conference is the sensible choice, not a slight to FAU or a knock on his character. It's just common sense
 
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Kiffin would be a homerun hire, and I felt that way long before this past weekend's disaster. He's the best candidate out there right now WHO WOULD ACTUALLY COME anywhere near this program.

Another SEC team will pick him up sooner or later, needs to be us now.
 
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It says that unfortunately we are in a new era of mercenary coaches and we better get on board or we will be left behind. I don't like that fact anymore than you do, op. But unfortunately it is the truth.

Now, let's go get Lane because he obviously knows how to win and wants to come back.
 
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FirstAndGoal said:
Kiffin is adult enough if he could work for Saban. Get over it. He would be a great hire this time around. Win with swagger! :rock:
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Is that why Kiffin was left behind by the bus a few times? Is that how we treat grown-ups? Seems like he really had the respect of that team.
 
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A lot of ppl keep saying that he will come here. What absolute certainty makes ppl think that? Honest question. He left during the night and pooped all over UT. Maybe he has "grown Up" and became a mature adult. But what makes ppl sure he wants to be here and can run this proud program to what once was?
 
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Guyute said:
Look, I want this to end as much as any of us. The garbage that I've been reading about TN is neither fair nor accurate and the only way to change the narrative is to hire someone who is ready to get to work on leading the team.

However, all of this "hire Kiffin" talk is ridiculous. The only Kiffin worth chasing was Layla (sorry Monte). If Kiffin were to abandon another team for a bigger splash after only one year, what does that say about him? What would it say about UT?

The guy's tenure here was marred with controversy and impropriety and it is a sign of desperation to think that he should return, forgiven, to a program that he had a hand in throwing into decline.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but Kiffin has a stink of immature entitlement on him that follows him wherever he goes. Were here to opportunistically bail on a contract AGAIN after only a year then it is evident that he has not grown up at all.

Let's hire an adult this time who understands that this job still means something to a great deal of us and will respect what took a long time to build.
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It’s not as hard as you’re making it. And no, that’s not what Layla said.

All we do is make his contract with a hefty buyout if he walks on us. It’s not that hard.
 
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Kiffin has done a great job everywhere he has been even when the talent was not at a high level. He really goofed up taking the USC job when they were going on probation and facing recruiting reductions. He still won more than he lost there.
 
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I'm not just 100% on Kiffin, but comparing leaving UT to leaving FAU is crazy. Leaving a smaller program for a better one in a better conference is the sensible choice, not a slight to FAU or a knock on his character. It's just common sense
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besides that, were not asking him to leave in the middle of the might like he did to us... do it the right way, help FAU get things going whatever direction they desire (if they want help) and so on.
 
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Fare point, OP. At every championship NCAA program (and every long-term successful business in the world) there are compromises between perceived moral integrity and aggressive pursuit of goals.

Kiffin may be a bridge too far. (Kiffin bringing Briles Jr. with him after Schiano - would definitely be a bridge too far. If he is innocent, I regret that for young Briles, but it just can't happen.) I am confident that Kiffin can recruit, and that, as the face of the University, he can keep it together enough. If he can't we fire him with cause.

The differentiation with the other candidate goes like this: Guilty or not, the associated indiscretions in question are nowhere NEAR relatable. The prior candidate's personal integrity would've been contested with every prized recruit AND he has no shiny prize in his past coaching record that let's him overcome that. Lane has the shiny prize, and he has charm - for better or worse... boat loads of charm.

I don't know the answer. I understand the AD's reasons for not calling him. I mostly wish they would. I'm wondering how to support the players and take a drug to make me quit caring about UT football.
 
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Nashvol2 said:
It says that unfortunately we are in a new era of mercenary coaches and we better get on board or we will be left behind. I don't like that fact anymore than you do, op. But unfortunately it is the truth.

Now, let's go get Lane because he obviously knows how to win and wants to come back.
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I agree that the long-tenured coaches are a thing of the past but winning as an assistant with Saban doesn't make you a winning HC. Just ask Dooley.

There are plenty of other coaches who could be hired that haven't proven over and over again that they lack integrity to the degree of Kiffin. The guy isn't ready for the responsibility.

My original point was why in the hell would anyone cheer Kiffin doing to Florida Atlantic what we were all so upset about him doing to us?
 
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He burned this bridge to the ground it is not going to happen! Let’s move on to a more realistic choice.
 
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boomvol said:
I'm not just 100% on Kiffin, but comparing leaving UT to leaving FAU is crazy. Leaving a smaller program for a better one in a better conference is the sensible choice, not a slight to FAU or a knock on his character. It's just common sense
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In 2009, Tennessee was the "smaller program" to USC. Just like us, the FAU players and fans don't think of their team as being "small". They don't want to be disrespected and crippled any more than we did.

I agree that Kiffin can coach so what happens when that success happens in year 2 of his UT contract? Do you think a guy like Kiffin stays? Do you think Tennessee won't still be a "smaller program" to some other NCAA or NFL team? And when he DOES go (and he will) do you think he leaves things in good shape around Knoxville?
 
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Guyute said:
Look, I want this to end as much as any of us. The garbage that I've been reading about TN is neither fair nor accurate and the only way to change the narrative is to hire someone who is ready to get to work on leading the team.

However, all of this "hire Kiffin" talk is ridiculous. The only Kiffin worth chasing was Layla (sorry Monte). If Kiffin were to abandon another team for a bigger splash after only one year, what does that say about him? What would it say about UT?

The guy's tenure here was marred with controversy and impropriety and it is a sign of desperation to think that he should return, forgiven, to a program that he had a hand in throwing into decline.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but Kiffin has a stink of immature entitlement on him that follows him wherever he goes. Were here to opportunistically bail on a contract AGAIN after only a year then it is evident that he has not grown up at all.

Let's hire an adult this time who understands that this job still means something to a great deal of us and will respect what took a long time to build.
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Ok Don't hire Kiffin....Hire Tee Martin....is that the next step.
 
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boomvol said:
I'm not just 100% on Kiffin, but comparing leaving UT to leaving FAU is crazy. Leaving a smaller program for a better one in a better conference is the sensible choice, not a slight to FAU or a knock on his character. It's just common sense
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No difference whatsoever. Don't do it to us. But, we're OK if you do it to someone else. Lovely.
 
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Guyute said:
In 2009, Tennessee was the "smaller program" to USC. Just like us, the FAU players and fans don't think of their team as being "small". They don't want to be disrespected and crippled any more than we did.

I agree that Kiffin can coach so what happens when that success happens in year 2 of his UT contract? Do you think a guy like Kiffin stays? Do you think Tennessee won't still be a "smaller program" to some other NCAA or NFL team? And when he DOES go (and he will) do you think he leaves things in good shape around Knoxville?
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I definitely think that if we jumped on Kiffin, we need to structure his contract so that it would be very difficult to leave. I agree there's a risk because he's shown himself to make some rash (frankly stupid) decisions, but his talent and charisma is worth the risk for a program that's on the doorstep of 10 more years of mediocrity
 
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Unfortunately...and it makes me sick to think of Kiffin coaching...he is a better option than 90% of the Google coaches you guys are proposing.
 
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A lot of ppl keep saying that he will come here. What absolute certainty makes ppl think that? Honest question. He left during the night and pooped all over UT. Maybe he has "grown Up" and became a mature adult. But what makes ppl sure he wants to be here and can run this proud program to what once was?
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He has been quoted as saying that he would crawl back to Knoxville for the job.

He left for his dream job, and I understand that, but not after a single season. That was wrong and I never thought that I would welcome him back.

However, after this stinking search he is most likely the best option and we need him as much as he needs us at this point.
 
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